The General Politics Thread

cry_of_the_banshee

Cú Chulainn wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
The Annoying Frenchman wrote
If you don't mind, I'll read it tomorrow at work if I have time.I'll get back to you.
Sure.

cry_of_the_banshee

The Annoying Frenchman wrote
If you don't mind, I'll read it tomorrow at work if I have time.I'll get back to you.

Well?
It's been more than 24 hours, and I see you have been posting... so, now it's your turn.

The_Annoying_Frenchman

Sometimes at work... I work. :omfg:
Yes, we frenchies don't spend our days drinking wine while eating cheese and discussing poetry at la terrasse d'un café, you see... :wink:

So you'll have to wait until I tell you, formaly, that you'll always find paranoids with a good enough writing skill and a twisted but oddly convincing way of pûtting things if you don't scratch the surface... Something along those lines if what you've sent me belongs to the kind of things I suspect it does.

Anyway, in case you haven't noticed, we come here to talk about music so, what do you think of Pennsylvania's Argus? Me thinks they're pretty great and not jewish...:cool:

stevelovesmoonspell

"Yes, we frenchies don't spend our days drinking wine while eating cheese and discussing poetry at la terrasse d'un café, you see... :wink:"

That sounds about right

:lol:

cry_of_the_banshee

The Annoying Frenchman wrote
Sometimes at work... I work. :omfg: Yes, we frenchies don't spend our days drinking wine while eating cheese and discussing poetry at la terrasse d'un café, you see... :wink:So you'll have to wait until I tell you, formaly, that you'll always find paranoids with a good enough writing skill and a twisted but oddly convincing way of pûtting things if you don't scratch the surface... Something along those lines if what you've sent me belongs to the kind of things I suspect it does.Anyway, in case you haven't noticed, we come here to talk about music so, what do you think of Pennsylvania's Argus? Me thinks they're pretty great and not jewish...:cool:

Really?

we come here to talk about music

You inserted yourself into this thread, and expect me to buy this?:lol:

you'll always find paranoids with a good enough writing skill and a twisted but oddly convincing way of pûtting things if you don't scratch the surface

Is not any kind of argument, in fact it is a huge dodge.

Translation time: "i got nothing".

Yeah, I figured as much.

cry_of_the_banshee

stevelovesmoonspell wrote
"Yes, we frenchies don't spend our days drinking wine while eating cheese and discussing poetry at la terrasse d'un café, you see... :wink:"That sounds about right:lol:

:lol:

cry_of_the_banshee

If you are going to venture into a thread that is as charged as a political debate thread, you should be prepared to back up your assertions.

cry_of_the_banshee

Oh and regarding your little stealth comment about them not being Jewish... who said anything about Jews?
I am talking specifically about Israel / zionist influence in Washington.

Same old tactics, I see.
:lol:

The_Annoying_Frenchman

And the same old tactics of the extreme-right to take on zionism to look like they're not anti-semite.

C'mon, you know as well as I that both "teams" use the same lazy excuses all the time and this is why none of the debates I've seen here have changed one's opinion.

So, basically, stop accusing "us" of the same old tricks when you do just the same thing with different tricks.

cry_of_the_banshee

The Annoying Frenchman wrote
And the same old tactics of the extreme-right to take on zionism to look like they're not anti-semite.C'mon, you know as well as I that both "teams" use the same lazy excuses all the time and this is why none of the debates I've seen here have changed one's opinion.So, basically, stop accusing "us" of the same old tricks when you do just the same thing with different tricks.

How have I used any tricks? Again, you seem to have a penchant for making false claims, so show me where have tried to be tricksy.

I have made myself absolutely clear that I am not talking about Jews in general, I am talking about AIPAC and so on...
You are using red herring tactics to avoid backing up your assertions.

Waht other people or groups may or may not claim on the matter is not even remotely germaine to the discussion.

At any rate, I should have known that you wouldn't uphold your end of the discussion, i.e., "getting back to me on it".

:lol:

The_Annoying_Frenchman

See.
I don't leave those debates because I don't know what to answer you but because they're boring as fuck. And everytime I end asking myself why I'd let myself into one of those lousy, retarded, small-minded, idiotic debates with people even more obtuse than I am.

Please, val, next time you see me around here, remind me of what I said.

cry_of_the_banshee

The Annoying Frenchman wrote
See.I don't leave those debates because I don't know what to answer you but because they're boring as fuck. And everytime I end asking myself why I'd let myself into one of those lousy, retarded, small-minded, idiotic debates with people even more obtuse than I am.Please, val, next time you see me around here, remind me of what I said.

You're a joke, you know that?

If you are so much smarter than me, you should have no problem tearing me to shreds... I notice you don't mind one little bit piling on metalstorm and others... you're a coward.

Dismissed.

The_Annoying_Frenchman

Just bored.

Sorry überdude, you're just really really really boring. :wink:

cry_of_the_banshee

The Annoying Frenchman wrote
Just bored.Sorry überdude, you're just really really really boring. :wink:

:lol:

Lame.
You and I both know that is not the reason you are fleeing in the wind, yet again.

My remarks regarding your desperation and fear seem to ring true.
:lol:

Again, dismissed.

GeneralDiomedes

So calling a lobby group powerful, well organized and effective is somehow deriding them? :huh: Man if that's an insult, I'd love to see a complement :blink:

Stephen, I bet you'd be the first to say there is a Big Oil Lobby that has a certain amount of influence over the US government, members of Congress and the election process. Or a Sugar Lobby, or a Corn Lobby, etc. Yet somehow certain lobby groups don't exist or aren't real or don't exert any influence.

Note we are not talking about control, but influence. Not saying that anybody holds the puppet strings.

cry_of_the_banshee

GeneralDiomedes wrote
So calling a lobby group powerful, well organized and effective is somehow deriding them? :huh: Man if that's an insult, I'd love to see a complement :blink:Stephen, I bet you'd be the first to say there is a Big Oil Lobby that has a certain amount of influence over the US government, members of Congress and the election process. Or a Sugar Lobby, or a Corn Lobby, etc. Yet somehow certain lobby groups don't exist or aren't real or don't exert any influence.Note we are not talking about control, but influence. Not saying that anybody holds the puppet strings.

Or even more to the point, the Christian Right's influence.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the-biggest-lobbies-in-washington/">http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the ... ashington/</a>

Only one of these is a lobby that promotes another nation's interests.
The pro-Israel lobby.
Something is very wrong with this picture.

stevelovesmoonspell

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3IBn-DFvkI&feature=feedlik">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3IBn-DF ... re=feedlik</a>

GeneralDiomedes

cry of the banshee wrote
Or even more to the point, the Christian Right's influence.<a class="postlink" href="http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the-biggest-lobbies-in-washington/">http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the ... ashington/</a>Only one of these is a lobby that promotes another nation's interests.The pro-Israel lobby.Something is very wrong with this picture.

Nice summary, and you are right, they are a huge part of the pro-israel lobby. I suppose they think it has something to do with their ticket to heaven. If you are ever inclined, this is a good read (if you haven't read it already)

cry_of_the_banshee

GeneralDiomedes wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Or even more to the point, the Christian Right's influence.<a class="postlink" href="http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the-biggest-lobbies-in-washington/">http://www.businesspundit.com/10-of-the ... ashington/</a>Only one of these is a lobby that promotes another nation's interests.The pro-Israel lobby.Something is very wrong with this picture.
Nice summary, and you are right, they are a huge part of the pro-israel lobby. I suppose they think it has something to do with their ticket to heaven. If you are ever inclined, this is a good read (if you haven't read it already)

haha, that's the manuscript (in pdf) that I linked for the frenchman to read.
It's pretty interesting, especially how going against "the lobby" is paramount to political suicide, or at least being marginalized to the point it may as well be.

cry_of_the_banshee

stevelovesmoonspell wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3IBn-DFvkI&feature=feedlik

I will check this out as time allows (vcan't really do it at the moment), thanks for the link.

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