The General Politics Thread

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
At the end of the day, though Trapt and myself are pretty much on opposite ends of the political spectrum, we are still on the same side; that is, we love this country and want what is best for it.
My skin crawled with that last line. You know that, right? But you are correct.

:lol:

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Get rid of the Second Amendment... ok still a shitload of guns floating around... ok so only criminals have them... ok now waht?... the law abiding citizens are defenseless...sounds like a brilliant plan.
This slippery slope argument just doesn't work. This assumes that the second amendment is keeping down crime as if once the guns go away criminals would just come out of the woodworks. Not to mention the fact that legal gun pool is where illegal guns often come from. And I still don't believe in this notion of defense. Shotgun or not, pulling a gun out on someone who has a gun might work on TV, but not in real life.

It's a moot argument anyway... the Second Amendment isn't going anywhere.We both know this. Which is why all the point-counterpoint in the world amounts to a pisshole in the snow in regards to the right to bear firearms.As for

pulling a gun out on someone who has a gun might work on TV, but not in real life

I'd rather take my chances being armed as opposed to unarmed.
At least then, you have a fighting chance; unarmed, you are at the mercy of somebody that has obviously bad intentions. Fuck that noise.

traptunderice

cry of the banshee wrote
At least then, you have a fighting chance; unarmed, you are at the mercy of somebody that has obviously bad intentions. Fuck that noise.

At least then, you have a chance to agitate and threaten someone who has a gun already on edge due to being in the act of perpetrating a crime. :wink:

Goat

Cú Chulainn wrote
Fuck ATOS, fuck Tories, and fuck any of you liberal scum who sneer at the impact of this governments policy on vulnerable people.

Charming! None of that was direct proof of anything the government did, you do realise that, don't you? Conflating this to murder is simply conspiracy theory bullshit.

Glad I missed the gun debate, too.

cry_of_the_banshee

Goat wrote
Cú Chulainn wrote
Fuck ATOS, fuck Tories, and fuck any of you liberal scum who sneer at the impact of this governments policy on vulnerable people.

Charming! None of that was direct proof of anything the government did, you do realise that, don't you? Conflating this to murder is simply conspiracy theory bullshit.Glad I missed the gun debate, too.

What? You're just in time. :lol:

What topic should swat around next?
How about...

Pornography: yea or nay?
😃

And, why or why not?

DevotedWalnut

If people wanna fuck for money whether it be on camera or not, go for it.

Goat

cry of the banshee wrote
What? You're just in time. :lol:What topic should swat around next?How about...Pornography: yea or nay? 😃And, why or why not?

Oh god. Yes, why not? I think consenting adults should be able to do what they like in the bedroom (or kitchen, or garage, etc) and so taking pictures/video is a natural follow-on.

TBH I'm not sure anyone will disagree with any of that, but I'm sure I'll be surprised...

North_From_Here

Goat wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
What? You're just in time. :lol:What topic should swat around next?How about...Pornography: yea or nay? 😃And, why or why not?
Oh god. Yes, why not? I think consenting adults should be able to do what they like in the bedroom (or kitchen, or garage, etc) and so taking pictures/video is a natural follow-on.TBH I'm not sure anyone will disagree with any of that, but I'm sure I'll be surprised...

I'd be willing to wager that good ole Aaron/Dead Machine, should he return to grace us with his presence, would disagree, but yeah he is probably the only one.

MetalStorm

cry of the banshee wrote
WTF happenened to my avatar status? :lol:

Looks at Cú's face with guilt written all over it :ph34r:

Goat

MetalStorm wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
WTF happenened to my avatar status? :lol:
Looks at Cú's face with guilt written all over it :ph34r:

It happens to us all once we hit a certain no of posts. Keep posting and it'll go. Or I could change it. For a price. Ahem.

MetalStorm

North From Here wrote
Goat wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
What? You're just in time. :lol:What topic should swat around next?How about...Pornography: yea or nay? 😃And, why or why not?
Oh god. Yes, why not? I think consenting adults should be able to do what they like in the bedroom (or kitchen, or garage, etc) and so taking pictures/video is a natural follow-on.TBH I'm not sure anyone will disagree with any of that, but I'm sure I'll be surprised...
I'd be willing to wager that good ole Aaron/Dead Machine, should he return to grace us with his presence

Oh please God no. I can only take so much aspirin :blink:

MetalStorm

Goat wrote
MetalStorm wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
WTF happenened to my avatar status? :lol:
Looks at Cú's face with guilt written all over it :ph34r:
It happens to us all once we hit a certain no of posts. Keep posting and it'll go. Or I could change it. For a price. Ahem.

Oh yeah forgot about those silly titles lol.

cry_of_the_banshee

Well, it's covered by freedom of speech, etc., but I think it's kind of sad and pathetic that it is so offhandedly :lol: accepted in society; used to be the province of heavy-breathing perverts in raincoats lurking about the $0.25 arcades late at night, now people openly talk about their favorite "stars" and how often they rub one off.

:lol:

What about the effects on society in general, it being do readily available? I personally think it is unhealthy and a it's abundance in western society is a reflection said society's overall unhealthiness.

I am sure that that is an opinion held in the minority here, though.

Goat

cry of the banshee wrote
now people openly talk about their favorite "stars" and how often they rub one off.

They do?! Certainly not in Albion. Must be a decadent American thing.

cry of the banshee wrote
What about the effects on society in general, it being do readily available? I personally think it is unhealthy and a it's abundance in western society is a reflection said society's overall unhealthiness.I am sure that that is an opinion held in the minority here, though.

Well, what societies don't have pornography easily available? Fundamentalist Islamic ones, basically, unless you can think of another? I know which I'd prefer...

I'm going to wait for Trapt to make the feminist argument (I remember he and Fridge having it out over strippers...) but I'm not a conservative in social matters - if men and women feel comfortable expressing themselves like that, who is anyone else to tell them not to? You can argue about the effect on children, but personally I'd consider the effect of violence more harmful than naked women, and we all came out of a naked woman to start with, so...

MetalStorm

cry of the banshee wrote
now people openly talk about their favorite "stars" and how often they rub one off.

Hey Asa Akira has a nice ass :dio:

traptunderice

Goat wrote
I'm going to wait for Trapt to make the feminist argument (I remember he and Fridge having it out over strippers...) but I'm not a conservative in social matters - if men and women feel comfortable expressing themselves like that, who is anyone else to tell them not to? You can argue about the effect on children, but personally I'd consider the effect of violence more harmful than naked women, and we all came out of a naked woman to start with, so...

Feminist arguments on pornography tend to piss me off. Pornography is kinda just pathetic. It's not sexy; it's not attractive; it's just too bodies gyrating and flexing till one cums and the other fakes it. Even photographs are photoshopped to the point of the unreal. Sexual fixations are on things and organs, not sex per se. It's like the ol' Zizek example to describe the Real; you want to know what sex really is, it's a camera on the end of the dildo. The sexual Real is literally the internal view of the human body just being pounded. It's fucking grotesque. The sway of the Imaginary is gone. The only fantasy people have left are the capitalist ideological ones that things will get better or that they will be fine even if we don't change the course. The good ol' romantic ones of love and sexual attraction are gone, replaced by the commodity form, the accumulation of sexual conquests, and its fixation on breasts and holes. That moment you're pressed against someone, not even mid-coitus but just bodies close to one another, looking in each other's eyes and one's hand caresses the other one's arm. You can't get that in porn. To continue the Slovenian madman's tirades, it's like Diet Coke, same ol' appearance minus all the good stuff, the taste of it all.

Goat

I was with you up until Diet Coke, which I prefer. 😉

Yeah, I get the arguments about porn's lack of reality, but I think it's like violent videogames in that it's escapist and clearly is not supposed to be reality. That idiots take it as reality and seek to replicate it is the fault of idiots, not the thing itself. I don't like most porn, especially the violent stuff with choking etc, but I'd defend it on the basis that the people involved are doing it voluntarily and that it isn't my place to define sensuality for others.

Anyway, if not feminist, then the philosophical/political anti- view, which you provided. 🙂

cry_of_the_banshee

Goat wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
now people openly talk about their favorite "stars" and how often they rub one off.
They do?! Certainly not in Albion. Must be a decadent American thing.
cry of the banshee wrote
What about the effects on society in general, it being do readily available? I personally think it is unhealthy and a it's abundance in western society is a reflection said society's overall unhealthiness.I am sure that that is an opinion held in the minority here, though.
Well, what societies don't have pornography easily available? Fundamentalist Islamic ones, basically, unless you can think of another? I know which I'd prefer...I'm going to wait for Trapt to make the feminist argument (I remember he and Fridge having it out over strippers...) but I'm not a conservative in social matters - if men and women feel comfortable expressing themselves like that, who is anyone else to tell them not to? You can argue about the effect on children, but personally I'd consider the effect of violence more harmful than naked women, and we all came out of a naked woman to start with, so...

I don't think anybody should tell anybody what to do whilst in the privacy of there own home, that's not really where I am coming from.Obviously, the extreme example of fundamentalism will never do...But what about porn that is violent and degrading? Whether or not it should be allowed (I tend to think it should be allowed as freedom of speech), how healthy is it? A distinction should be made between erotica, in the vein of Playboy type material and hardcore pornography, especially the "niche" stuff.I hear dudes at work talking about shit that is pretty cringeworthy, vile shit like throat banging some chick until she vomits, slapping them around etc.How long before that type of crap is accepted? Will it ever be?I don't know.Interesting news piece:

Officials in San Francisco have reportedly installed plastic privacy screens at the city’s main library to block pornographic images from the eyes of other visitors

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/26/pornography-at-san-francisco-library-reportedly-prompts-privacy-screens/">http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/26/po ... y-screens/</a>

North_From_Here

traptunderice wrote
It's fucking grotesque.

traptunderice wrote
it's like Diet Coke, same ol' appearance minus all the good stuff, the taste of it all.

Does Zizek have an essay on this topic that I could read? Grotesque and diet coke: great stuff. I personally despise porn but I'm not sure I would make the societal arguments V makes. Maybe.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
Goat wrote
I'm going to wait for Trapt to make the feminist argument (I remember he and Fridge having it out over strippers...) but I'm not a conservative in social matters - if men and women feel comfortable expressing themselves like that, who is anyone else to tell them not to? You can argue about the effect on children, but personally I'd consider the effect of violence more harmful than naked women, and we all came out of a naked woman to start with, so...
Feminist arguments on pornography tend to piss me off. Pornography is kinda just pathetic. It's not sexy; it's not attractive; it's just too bodies gyrating and flexing till one cums and the other fakes it. Even photographs are photoshopped to the point of the unreal. Sexual fixations are on things and organs, not sex per se. It's like the ol' Zizek example to describe the Real; you want to know what sex really is, it's a camera on the end of the dildo. The sexual Real is literally the internal view of the human body just being pounded. It's fucking grotesque. The sway of the Imaginary is gone. The only fantasy people have left are the capitalist ideological ones that things will get better or that they will be fine even if we don't change the course. The good ol' romantic ones of love and sexual attraction are gone, replaced by the commodity form, the accumulation of sexual conquests, and its fixation on breasts and holes. That moment you're pressed against someone, not even mid-coitus but just bodies close to one another, looking in each other's eyes and one's hand caresses the other one's arm. You can't get that in porn. To continue the Slovenian madman's tirades, it's like Diet Coke, same ol' appearance minus all the good stuff, the taste of it all.

It's hollow and soulless, in other words.
Which is the path our society is heading, more and more as the years flicker by.

It seems that western civilization is increasingly like a man whose body is riddled with cancer, but he still manages to keep his shoes polished.

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