The General Politics Thread

C_Chulainn

Islam is by nature imperialistic. Most religions are.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
I was being facetious, asshole. I don't know why you always have your knickers in such a bunch.You got really fucking incoherent, my man.
scream Islamophobia when their radicals and accomodations on part of the spineless west are done to give them some degree of community that they would never give to anyone regardless of color living in one of their shithole cities.
The West not taking care of its own people? Agreed, sir.
hockey fans don't blow up entire buildings for imperialist reasons while their populations sit idly by with a victims mentality
Neither do Muslims. Surely, you aren't calling Muslims imperialists. This account sounds more like what the West is doing in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. Surely some of those pilots, at least a few, are hockey fans? But that has nothing to do with hockey.
no one at least in this thread has said they shouldn't enjoy the right to pray ten million times on a carpet.
V didn't say basically this?And it is my Master's degree, guy. There are a lot of problems with Islam yet I feel that once you address the material conditions of poverty and women's rights then much of the archaic/barbaric practices associated with the religion would dissipate or be reigned in. That may be rather Enlightenment-y with a dash of Marxism but progress can be instilled in the culture if you can educate the populace and provide them with the necessary conditions for a decent life. Let's be honest, blowing yourself up to feed your family is only appealing when it's the only option for you to feed your family. Surely, you don't think suicide bombers are simply too lazy to take care of their family, the Islamic twist to the old welfare queen myth? Western govts appease them because those govts know they are the ones who fucked these countries over, colonizing them, exploiting them, instilling a hatred of the West in these populaces through their practices and now that the chickens have come home to roost, the people are impoverished and struggling and want change and to strike at the people who put them in their state. Is this a skewed depiction of what is happening?

No, I didn't. But they don't have the right to block public streets with that bullshit. Would you tiolerate christisnas doing so?
I think not.

C_Chulainn

Christisna sounds fun.

cry_of_the_banshee

Cú Chulainn wrote
Christisna sounds fun.

Yeah, my typing is atrocious. I seldom proofread, too lazy.

North_From_Here

Goat wrote
We're too good at pushing each other's buttons. I mean, it was pretty obvious that Trapt's tongue was in his cheek there, to me at least...

Of course. My 'zzz' was directed at the maelstorm which was surely coming out of it.

I don't agree with Trapt's views, but I don't agree with much of what Steve said either. Thus I will say nothing.

cry_of_the_banshee

Arguments aside, Islam is just another bullshit desert fairytale for people with primitive minds to cling on to. Doesn't deserve any more respect or tolerance than christianity, as far as I am concerned.

And there is a definite element of intolerance and violence within it's ranks, this is undeniable... what other religion declares jihad and goes murderously bananas over a fucking cartoon? Not to mention the fact that they seem to have adapted the time-tested method of perpetual hand-wringing victimhood... fuck 'em and the lunacy they rode in on says I.

Goat

Speaking of lunacy...

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/israel-passes-law-boycotts?CMP=twt_gu">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... CMP=twt_gu</a>

C_Chulainn

:lol: :lol:

"Europoor du nord"
"Europoor du sud"

dead1

cry of the banshee wrote
Arguments aside, Islam is just another bullshit desert fairytale for people with primitive minds to cling on to. Doesn't deserve any more respect or tolerance than christianity, as far as I am concerned.And there is a definite element of intolerance and violence within it's ranks, this is undeniable... what other religion declares jihad and goes murderously bananas over a fucking cartoon? Not to mention the fact that they seem to have adapted the time-tested method of perpetual hand-wringing victimhood... fuck 'em and the lunacy they rode in on says I.

Hear, hear sir!

cry_of_the_banshee

dead1, this may interest you:

<a class="postlink" href="http://news.yahoo.com/australian-law-muslims-lift-veils-050625536.html">http://news.yahoo.com/australian-law-mu ... 25536.html</a>

"It is a religious issue here," said Mouna Unnjinal, a mother of five who has been driving in Sydney in a niqab for 18 years and has never been booked for a traffic offense."We're going to feel very intimidated and our privacy is being invaded," she added.Unnjinal said she would not hesitate to show her face to a policewoman. But she fears male police officers might misuse the law to deliberately intimidate Muslim women."If I'm pulled over by a policeman, I might say I want to see a female police lady and he says, 'No, I want to see your face,'" Unnjinal said. "Where does that leave me? Do I get penalized 5,000 dollars and sent to jail for 12 months because I wouldn't?"

Yes, because it is the law, ya dingbat.

"I don't care whether a person is wearing a motorcycle helmet, a burqa, niqab, face veil or anything else — the police should be allowed to require those people to make their identification clear," State Premier Barry O'Farrell said in a statement.The laws were motivated by the bungled prosecution of Carnita Matthews, a 47-year-old Muslim mother of seven who was booked by a highway patrolman for a minor traffic violation in Sydney in June last year.An official complaint was made in Matthews' name against Senior Constable Paul Fogarty, the policeman who gave her the ticket. The complaint accused Fogarty of racism and of attempting to tear off her veil during their roadside encounter.Unknown to Matthews, the encounter was recorded by a camera inside Fogarty's squad car. The video footage showed her aggressively berating a restrained Fogarty and did not support her claim that he tried to grab her veil before she reluctantly and angrily lifted it to show her face

Matthews was sentenced in November to six months in jail for making a deliberately false statement to police.But that conviction and sentence were quashed on appeal last month without her serving any time in jail because a judge was not convinced that it was Matthews who signed the false statutory declaration. The woman who signed the document had worn a burqa and a justice of the peace who witnessed the signing had not looked beneath the veil to confirm her identity

Yeah, right...

Like I said, a one way street.

cry_of_the_banshee

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/577794/201107081851/DOJ-Begins-Bank-Witch-Hunt.htm">http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... h-Hunt.htm</a>

Settlements include setting aside prime-rate mortgages for low-income blacks and Hispanics with blemished credit and even counting "public assistance" as valid income in mortgage applications.In several cases, the government has ordered bank defendants to post in all their branches and marketing materials a notice informing minority customers that they cannot be turned down for credit because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.Among other remedies: favorable interest rates and down-payment assistance for minority borrowers with weak credit.For example, the government has ordered Midwest BankCentre to set aside almost $1 million in "special financing" for residents living in predominantly black areas of St. Louis. The program includes originating conventional home loans at fixed prime rates for African-American borrowers "who would ordinarily not qualify for such rates for reasons including the lack of required credit quality, income or down payment."

Such efforts risk recreating the government-imposed lax underwriting that led to the housing boom and bust, critics fear."It's absolutely outrageous after what we've just gone through," said former Rep. Ernest Istook, a Heritage Foundation fellow. "How can someone both be financially stable enough to merit a mortgage at the same time they're on public assistance? By definition, you don't have the kind of employment that can support such a loan."

Some blame that in part for the subprime boom, because banks were ordered to throw open their lending windows to credit-poor minorities. That crackdown spurred the American Bankers Association to distribute to its thousands of members "fair-lend ing tool kits" advising the adoption of more permissive underwriting criteria to help inoculate them from prosecution

Incredible.

traptunderice

how else do you give people who lack opportunities opportunities? by making opportunites for them. let's ignore the fact that the housing bust hit more than just the poor and hit every class of our society, here and in Europe because of lax regulation of the market. these policies can be put in place and be successful when within a web of protections and regulations which were non-existent years ago.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
how else do you give people who lack opportunities opportunities? by making opportunites for them...

Sums it up, right here.

Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt... yeah, that's sound policy. Anybody wonder why this country is sinking fast, look no further. The lunatics are running the asylum.

Oh and singling out blacks and hispanics for this is blatantly racist.
Are there no poor white folk?
But then again, we're talking about Eric "My People" Holder, the one that believes that hate crime laws protect everyone but white, hetero males.

cry_of_the_banshee

The Readers Digest version:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.stock-market-investors.com/stock-investment-risk/the-subprime-mortgage-crisis-explained.html">http://www.stock-market-investors.com/s ... ained.html</a>

Why on Earth would we want to repeat the same mistake?

traptunderice

cry of the banshee wrote
Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt...

This assumes the very fact that these policies are doomed to fail! By providing people with homes closer to decent jobs, away from crime then they can begin to build a life for themselves in order to honor those debts.

I don't like the fact that latinos and blacks are singled out by these policies and obv I am all about making opportunity possible for all but race does affect people's opportunities and these policies accommodate for that.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt...

This assumes the very fact that these policies are doomed to fail! By providing people with homes closer to decent jobs, away from crime then they can begin to build a life for themselves in order to honor those debts.I don't like the fact that latinos and blacks are singled out by these policies and obv I am all about making opportunity possible for all but race does affect people's opportunities and these policies accommodate for that.

Proof of that, please.

Oh and that policy has already failed! Are you serious? Ever hear of the sub prime mortgage crisis?

cry_of_the_banshee

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20078789-503544.html">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... 03544.html</a>

traptunderice

cry of the banshee wrote
traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt...

This assumes the very fact that these policies are doomed to fail! By providing people with homes closer to decent jobs, away from crime then they can begin to build a life for themselves in order to honor those debts.I don't like the fact that latinos and blacks are singled out by these policies and obv I am all about making opportunity possible for all but race does affect people's opportunities and these policies accommodate for that.
Proof of that, please.Oh and that policy has already failed! Are you serious? Ever hear of the sub prime mortgage crisis?

is an article from Wall Street Journal too liberal of a source? <a class="postlink" href="http://www.iseek.org/news/fw/fw4522FutureWork.html">http://www.iseek.org/news/fw/fw4522FutureWork.html</a>

That policy failed in an economic environment lacking responsible regulations in the midst of countless other harmful escapades at work in the market.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt...

This assumes the very fact that these policies are doomed to fail! By providing people with homes closer to decent jobs, away from crime then they can begin to build a life for themselves in order to honor those debts.I don't like the fact that latinos and blacks are singled out by these policies and obv I am all about making opportunity possible for all but race does affect people's opportunities and these policies accommodate for that.
Proof of that, please.Oh and that policy has already failed! Are you serious? Ever hear of the sub prime mortgage crisis?
is an article from Wall Street Journal too liberal of a source? <a class="postlink" href="http://www.iseek.org/news/fw/fw4522FutureWork.html">http://www.iseek.org/news/fw/fw4522FutureWork.html</a>That policy failed in an economic environment lacking responsible regulations in the midst of countless other harmful escapades at work in the market.

That policy failed because the loans were not paid off. Period.

Onward...

Polls mean less than jack shit, first off.
And, too bad, but names like Laqueesha and Latrina, etc are correctly associated with ghetto culture, the blame of which can be squarely laid at the feet of blacks... so, not proof at all. In fact it was a loaded experiment and the author knows it, and I think you do too. Employers are not interested in gambling with the hiring process any more than they have to.

Do you think that names like Cletus, Jethro, or Zeke would get a call back?
Be real, man.

Maybe if they had used names like Ron Johnson, Michael Washington, etc. the results would be different... alas, we'll never know because the agenda of the experiment is obvious.

Proof would be a national pattern of two applicants, one white the other black, having an interview and the call back going to the white guy because he is white, and no other reason.

MetalStorm

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
Giving loans to people that have little to no chance of honoring their debt...

This assumes the very fact that these policies are doomed to fail! By providing people with homes closer to decent jobs, away from crime then they can begin to build a life for themselves in order to honor those debts.I don't like the fact that latinos and blacks are singled out by these policies and obv I am all about making opportunity possible for all but race does affect people's opportunities and these policies accommodate for that.

You can't be this fucking stupid can you? Seriously you have got to be the dumbest moron I have ever encountered on any type of forum :rolleyes:

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