Mixed Martial Arts... Any Fans?

The_Evil_Dead

I still have a shit eating grin on my face for telling all my friends who love Kimbo Slice for some reason ( I guess a lot of people think he's the shit, must be the youtube phenomenon thing ) and I told them he'd lose his first fight, and especially if it was against Roy Nelson.

Nelson flat out embarrassed him. He put on a slow clinic and wasn't even really too threatening, and Kimbo had nothing. Roy has been quoted as saying he played it safe and took it easy on himself so he can avoid injury, and it barely look like he broke a sweat.

I've read a lot of complaints on forums about Roy and his methods, saying he sucks or is weak, but hey, what does that say about Kimbo?

Kimbo is too old to get his start in any major promotion. Maybe he can fight Jose Canseco over in Japan.

War Big Country! It's his season to lose at this point. The fat man cometh!

traptunderice

Kimbo did drop the ball but like Rampage said who the fuck could've threw that guy off of him.

DevotedWalnut

I agree that Roy Nelson is a big dude that whould be hard for anybody to get out from underneath, but this is not the first time that Kimbo has been exposed for having absolutely no ground game. Just look at his second last fight in Elite XC, he won that fight, but got his ass handed to him while on the ground. The ref just kept on making them stand back up, and eventually the guys ear got cut open. So Kimbo got the TKO win because of a stoppage due to cut.

Kimbo, may be a good guy, but is a shit fighter. But he draws the crowds, hell I watched. He is a cash cow, that will get a lot of views. I am starting to hate the way the UFC is going, it's now way more about the money then it is about the good fights. Sure there are good fights still coming, but I read a blog about how Dana is complaining that UFC 104 will be a hard sell because it has no big-name american fighter to draw the crowds. Well, if people actually care about MMA, then seeing Machida vs. Shogun should be a big enough draw.

blah, I'm ranting. But you catch my drift, I hope.

cry_of_the_banshee

The Evil Dead wrote
I still have a shit eating grin on my face for telling all my friends who love Kimbo Slice for some reason ( I guess a lot of people think he's the shit, must be the youtube phenomenon thing ) and I told them he'd lose his first fight, and especially if it was against Roy Nelson.Nelson flat out embarrassed him. He put on a slow clinic and wasn't even really too threatening, and Kimbo had nothing. Roy has been quoted as saying he played it safe and took it easy on himself so he can avoid injury, and it barely look like he broke a sweat.I've read a lot of complaints on forums about Roy and his methods, saying he sucks or is weak, but hey, what does that say about Kimbo?Kimbo is too old to get his start in any major promotion. Maybe he can fight Jose Canseco over in Japan.War Big Country! It's his season to lose at this point. The fat man cometh!

haha...
A lot of people are trashing Nelson, clearly not getting what he actually did. It was brilliant.
The "get me a Double Whopper, w/ cheese. No pickle, etc." bit was the icing on the cake.
Dude's my new hero.

I'd like to see Kimbo vs. Houston Alexander...
they could bill it as:

Bonehead vs. Conehead

cry_of_the_banshee

DevotedWalnut wrote
I agree that Roy Nelson is a big dude that whould be hard for anybody to get out from underneath, but this is not the first time that Kimbo has been exposed for having absolutely no ground game. Just look at his second last fight in Elite XC, he won that fight, but got his ass handed to him while on the ground. The ref just kept on making them stand back up, and eventually the guys ear got cut open. So Kimbo got the TKO win because of a stoppage due to cut.Kimbo, may be a good guy, but is a shit fighter. But he draws the crowds, hell I watched. He is a cash cow, that will get a lot of views. I am starting to hate the way the UFC is going, it's now way more about the money then it is about the good fights. Sure there are good fights still coming, but I read a blog about how Dana is complaining that UFC 104 will be a hard sell because it has no big-name american fighter to draw the crowds. Well, if people actually care about MMA, then seeing Machida vs. Shogun should be a big enough draw.blah, I'm ranting. But you catch my drift, I hope.

Yeah, but that cash cow will not last long... anybody in the HW div. of the UFC would murder him.
IMO, it is a very short-sighted stratagem on Dana's part.

Forget the cut man, they'd be better off with an undertaker in their corner.

This is good business for the company, granted, but IMO, bad for MMA in general.
There are enough douchebags that call themselves MMA fans as it is, do we really want to multiply that 'baggery tenfold?

Kimbo belongs in the back alley, not in the Octagon.

DevotedWalnut

Forrest Griffin will fight, for the first time since being embarassed by Silva, at UFC 108. His oponent has not been anounced yet, but rumored to be Rich Franklin.

I still want to hear what Forrest has to say about running away and staying silent for so long.

Wandi will also fight at UFC 108 for the first time at the middleweight division against Yoshihiro Akiyama.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
Kimbo did drop the ball but like Rampage said who the fuck could've threw that guy off of him.

Fedor, Minotauro, Lesnar, just to name a few.
Gonzaga and Carwin, too, for that matter.

Fergie is way out of his league here... bottom line is, there is no future in MMA for the dude, the fact that somebody like Nelson could absolutely dominate him so embarassingly is testimonial to this.
If it were Nelson's wish, he could easily have elbowed him into a bloody ref stoppage, instead he whimsically pitter-pattered his dome to prove a point. Hype vs. skill, skill wins, even if it is entirely clinical.
To think what Nog or Lesnar would do to that poor bastard Kimbo is shudder worthy, but let's be honest: Kimbo would never make it up the line of contenders, the only chance he'd have of getting a shot at the belt is if Dana gave the go-ahead ($$$), and that would be downright cruel.
And dropping to 205 would be even worse for him.
Looks like it's getting a job-type-job, or back to back alley brawls, for ol' Kimbo.

I sincerely hope the rest of TUF 10 isn't as weak as it has been thus far.

traptunderice

Well I imagine if someone gets hurt Dana is going to jump on the chance to throw Kimbo back in so we'll see. He'll get a contract; everyone does off that show practically so maybe it could go somewhere. I'm sure after getting teabagged by Nelson on national television he'll attempt to work on his ground game.

The_Evil_Dead

He'll definitely be fighting on the fight night finale thing they do, and no doubt if someone gets injured Kimbo is immediately back in it.

And I think there's a quite few guys that could get Roy off them, or at least not let him do so much damage from on top. Or shit, stuff the takedown to begin with. Especially at HW. Banshee already listed a few guys that wouldn't have much problem I don't think.

cry of the banshee wrote
I sincerely hope the rest of TUF 10 isn't as weak as it has been thus far.

It likely will be. Unfortunately the HW division just isn't very deep. There's only so many big guys in the sport that can take advantage of the division, especially when you have guys cutting down to the 265 lb weight limit these days. Plus the UFC I think is missing a few key players like Barnett ( Roider or not ), Fedor ( Beyond their control ) , Monson ( Was in the UFC, still belongs there IMO. ), Overeem, Werdum, and Arlovski who were cut for no real reason.

I think we'll have some better fights, but it probably won't be into the semi's, or hell, maybe the final fight. So far I think most of the fights have been between guys with small records, or no pro record like Shivers. I think Roy/Kimbo were the most experienced guys that have fought so far... I believe. Too lazy to double check.

DevotedWalnut

traptunderice wrote
Well I imagine if someone gets hurt Dana is going to jump on the chance to throw Kimbo back in so we'll see. He'll get a contract; everyone does off that show practically so maybe it could go somewhere. I'm sure after getting teabagged by Nelson on national television he'll attempt to work on his ground game.

That Marcus guy gets hurt, Kimbo is back in. Count on it.

admin

Not sure why people continue to shit on Kimbo. The dude is doing nothing but trying, and he's doing so in a humble and respectful manner. I like the guy, to be honest. I have no delusions about his skill level next to other MMA fighters, and I can't hold it against him that Nelson beat him, even if he is a fat ass. Nelson's ground game (and fatassedness) is too much for someone like Kimbo.

And let's be honest here, when you're a fighter like Kimbo that literally has very little experience fighting from the ground, wouldn't you listen to your coach? Rampage specifically told Kimbo to hold on until the ref stood them up. So Kimbo did just that, until Nelson got him in the crucifix. Again. I imagine he had no idea what that even was.

Either way, Kimbo is cool. I dig him. He's got no ground game, but he can bang. He's got nice head and body movement, has a decent jab, and throws straight punches. He's just out of his league here, but that's expected.

A ratings cash-cow, though. Dana White is a genius. And it's not bad for MMA.

The_Evil_Dead

I personally think Kimbo has just so-so stand up, he's improved but he still tends to go flat footed, sticks his chin out, and as shown in the Nelson fight, he wasn't able to even utilize his stand up to do any damage when the fight was taking place on the feet. Roy wasn't scared of him.

I will give him credit for improving his takedown defense, though. Roy is no takedown artist, but he did much better than I thought he would in the clinch and defending the takedown until he got swept in the first round. He probably could have avoided the takedown in the second round, at least a bit longer, had he not tried to go for a knee when he was clinching with Roy.

As for Nelson, yeah, the guy is fat, but bringing it up and just calling him a simple " fat ass " as if it's hurting his game is silly.

The guy has cardio, he's gone the distance many times and will hang in there with the guys who are cut to shit. He's legit. Yeah, he's the fat guy, but he's got the credentials and he has a hard work ethic.

I imagine Kimbo knows what a crucifix is, he's been training MMA for awhile now and I know he's been pro like 2 years. He's just not going to be able to handle a BJJ practitioner like Nelson who knows the ground game up and down, as we saw in the fight. Kimbo was outclassed by the better fighter.

Here's why Kimbo fans suck, btw:

Man....man...man what a ****ing shitty fight. And i don't mean Kimbo... Roy was a big fat ****ing pussy that did nothing but lay on him with bitch hits. Then he gets up acting all bad ass like he just kicked the shit out of him. Kimbo had that shit to bad his ground game is crap. Will see if he gets to fight again. I hope sooo!

Such well educated fans. If Nelson is just such a big fat sack of worthless shit, what does that make Kimbo? lol.

Adam

Satan's Anus wrote
Not sure why people continue to shit on Kimbo. The dude is doing nothing but trying, and he's doing so in a humble and respectful manner. I like the guy, to be honest. I have no delusions about his skill level next to other MMA fighters, and I can't hold it against him that Nelson beat him, even if he is a fat ass. Nelson's ground game (and fatassedness) is too much for someone like Kimbo.And let's be honest here, when you're a fighter like Kimbo that literally has very little experience fighting from the ground, wouldn't you listen to your coach? Rampage specifically told Kimbo to hold on until the ref stood them up. So Kimbo did just that, until Nelson got him in the crucifix. Again. I imagine he had no idea what that even was.Either way, Kimbo is cool. I dig him. He's got no ground game, but he can bang. He's got nice head and body movement, has a decent jab, and throws straight punches. He's just out of his league here, but that's expected.A ratings cash-cow, though. Dana White is a genius. And it's not bad for MMA.

+1 on all counts. I understand hating some of Kimbo's mindless fans who think that his youtube beatdowns make him a top tier fighter, but the man himself has done nothing but take the opportunities presented to him.

admin

The Evil Dead wrote
I personally think Kimbo has just so-so stand up, he's improved but he still tends to go flat footed, sticks his chin out, and as shown in the Nelson fight, he wasn't able to even utilize his stand up to do any damage when the fight was taking place on the feet. Roy wasn't scared of him.

Well, now you're just being silly. Roy was in no way not scared. Well, he's a fighter so I imagine he wasn't actually scared, but he wanted nothing to do with Kimbo's punches.As for his stand-up in general, it's much better than average, I'd say. He may have a weak chin, though, but when he got dropped by that fairy-boy, he was a dummy and closed his eyes/had his head down. If a fighter wants to get KO'd, he should close his eyes.That said, Kimbo is little more than a marketing tool, and a damn good one. But he's not entirely worthless.

Man....man...man what a ****ing shitty fight. And i don't mean Kimbo... Roy was a big fat ****ing pussy that did nothing but lay on him with bitch hits. Then he gets up acting all bad ass like he just kicked the shit out of him. Kimbo had that shit to bad his ground game is crap. Will see if he gets to fight again. I hope sooo!
Such well educated fans. If Nelson is just such a big fat sack of worthless shit, what does that make Kimbo? lol.

I had something of the same reaction. Nelson, despite controlling the ground game, didn't look impressive at all. Let's keep it in perspective here. He beat Kimbo "No Ground Game" Slice. Are you really that impressed that a guy with Nelson's skills beat a guy in an area he has nearly no skills?

The thing is, had Nelson been fighting anyone but Kimbo, most people would call it a lame performance. But Kimbo is extra-hated.

Adam

On another note, anybody want to take bets on how long until Rampage "unretires"?

I'm upset because I was looking forward to him fighting (and beating) Rashad, but I'm sure he'll come back when he realizes he doesn't have a future in acting. This whole scenario is a like a replay of the Couture situation at times.

cry_of_the_banshee

Here's the thing about Kimbo-

On the one hand, I respect anybody that has the willingness to train hard and learn (though Bas Rutten may have something to say about that) and the cojones to step into a ring, octagon, whatever...
on the other hand, there comes a time when an honest self-assessment needs to happen in every man's life; Kimbo (to anyone with half a brain, at least) has no future in the UFC. Period.
Mediocre striking, glass chin, a ground game that makes a corpse look animated... he has been training MMA for some years now. If he can't even pull guard at this stage, he really should re-evaluate his career options

Which brings me to yet another point; he has, what, six or seven kids?
Does this guy have anything other than being a bodyguard or a bouncer to fall back on? And, even so, maybe only for another ten years, then what?
He's a fucking dumbass that got famous beating up other drunken idiots in back alleys via youtube, he really doesn't deserve any respect, other than his giving the effort. And I certainly won't shell out 50 clams to watch him be humiliated on any PPV.
His imminent downfall in MMA will, if he isn't a complete meathead, be a wake-up slap in the face. He ain't getting any younger, after all.

The_Evil_Dead

Satan's Anus wrote
Well, now you're just being silly. Roy was in no way not scared. Well, he's a fighter so I imagine he wasn't actually scared, but he wanted nothing to do with Kimbo's punches.

Roy has delt with fighters that have had far better standup and is no stranger on the feet himself. Obviously he wanted the fight on the ground, but he had no problem trading with Kimbo to get the clinch or into a scramble for a takedown.

I had something of the same reaction. Nelson, despite controlling the ground game, didn't look impressive at all. Let's keep it in perspective here. The thing is, had Nelson been fighting anyone but Kimbo, most people would call it a lame performance. But Kimbo is extra-hated.

These fighters have to do 3 fights on very short notice. This is Roy's first fight, and he's not going to go for broke and get injured to the point of either hindering a future fight, or keeping him out of the competition entirely.He knew he could win this fight easily, his way, and he did that. He's made that comment many times since the fight, as he has been questioned by many for giving a " lame " performance.It was a technically sound performance, and he did exactly what he needed to do to win the fight without taking any sort of damage at all. It was a very smart fight. This is MMA, not bare knuckle boxing.

He beat Kimbo "No Ground Game" Slice. Are you really that impressed that a guy with Nelson's skills beat a guy in an area he has nearly no skills?

No, I've been impressed by Roy for awhile and have been following him since the IFL. This victory was expected. I suppose I am impressed that he managed to fight a perfectly smart fight, without taking any damage. I respect technically sound fighters and prefer to watch them fight as opposed to one dimensional brawlers.

Adam wrote
On another note, anybody want to take bets on how long until Rampage "unretires"?I'm upset because I was looking forward to him fighting (and beating) Rashad, but I'm sure he'll come back when he realizes he doesn't have a future in acting. This whole scenario is a like a replay of the Couture situation at times.

I'm not that worried about him returning, honestly. He's become so one dimensional since entering the UFC. I find his fights to be kinda boring.

As for the fight with Rashad, Rashad I think would be able to outwrestle Rampage even though Rampage did at least at one point have solid wrestling. I could see a decision or TKO on the mat from Rashad... but likely they'd just " stand and bang " like all the people want to see, right? Bleh.

DevotedWalnut

Adam wrote
On another note, anybody want to take bets on how long until Rampage "unretires"?I'm upset because I was looking forward to him fighting (and beating) Rashad, but I'm sure he'll come back when he realizes he doesn't have a future in acting. This whole scenario is a like a replay of the Couture situation at times.

I bet he has another movie after A-Team, after that is over I am sure he will be back.

The_Evil_Dead

If you guys get HDNet, Dream 11 will be on at 7 AM ET on the 6th. I'll be getting the DL. It's the finale to the FW tournament, and it's going to be sick. Pulling for Joe Warren to upset the entire thing, he's already surprised people by making it to the finals... Even though he made his pro debut during the first part of the tournament.

DevotedWalnut

don't get HDNet in Canada, plus there is no way I'd be up at 7 am to watch it.

I may DL it though, that site you linked mmatorrents or whatever, is very cool.

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