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Satyricon- The Age of Nero

Goat

Bringing the evening to a slow close, been a while since I gave Bob the time of day.

dead1

These guys are soooo much better than Napalm Death. Never understood why they weren't as big as ND.

Goat

dead1 wrote
These guys are soooo much better than Napalm Death. Never understood why they weren't as big as ND.

Depends what you're after, very different approaches taken to grind - I love both. And in some circles they're as big as Napalm if not better, certainly more of an influence on melodeath. ND have the grind crown, however.

dead1

Thing is Carcass stayed innovative right to (some would say bitter) end.

Napalm Death had by Harmony Corruption completely embraced the Florida DM sound down to the point where Scott Burns produced it at Morrisound. And they weren't that great when compared to proper Florida DM stuff.

They then embraced a generic type of groove metal on Diatribes and lingered on that until Enemies of the Music Business where they went back to Grindcore and releasing pretty much the same album ever since.

They always sounded mediocre. Their early grind stuff was innovative but then they became a mediocre DM band followed by a mediocre Groove Metal band followed by a return to become a generic Grindcore band.

Carcass on the other hand have been master song writers since Symphonies of Sickness. And they sounded very unique right down to the end.

dead1

Goat

dead1 wrote
Thing is Carcass stayed innovative right to (some would say bitter) end.Napalm Death had by Harmony Corruption completely embraced the Florida DM sound down to the point where Scott Burns produced it at Morrisound. And they weren't that great when compared to proper Florida DM stuff.They then embraced a generic type of groove metal on Diatribes and lingered on that until Enemies of the Music Business where they went back to Grindcore and releasing pretty much the same album ever since.They always sounded mediocre. Their early grind stuff was innovative but then they became a mediocre DM band followed by a mediocre Groove Metal band followed by a return to become a generic Grindcore band.Carcass on the other hand have been master song writers since Symphonies of Sickness. And they sounded very unique right down to the end.

Boo, the 90s groove albums were very innovative! Don't forget they've released what, double the number of albums Carcass did? And the modern stuff is far from generic.

Kathaarian

dead1 wrote
Thing is Carcass stayed innovative right to (some would say bitter) end.Napalm Death had by Harmony Corruption completely embraced the Florida DM sound down to the point where Scott Burns produced it at Morrisound. And they weren't that great when compared to proper Florida DM stuff.They then embraced a generic type of groove metal on Diatribes and lingered on that until Enemies of the Music Business where they went back to Grindcore and releasing pretty much the same album ever since.They always sounded mediocre. Their early grind stuff was innovative but then they became a mediocre DM band followed by a mediocre Groove Metal band followed by a return to become a generic Grindcore band.Carcass on the other hand have been master song writers since Symphonies of Sickness. And they sounded very unique right down to the end.

And Carcass remained grindcore till the end? Fuck off.

ND are the kings of grind and rightfully so. Their death stuff are not that bad either. And their albums since The Code... have been nothing short of awesome.

dead1

Kathaarian wrote
And Carcass remained grindcore till the end? Fuck off.

Who said they stayed Grindcore? By Necroticism there was no real grind left in Carcass and even Symphonies was only grind in bits.Carcass helped pioneer melodic death metal while Napalm Death went from being an innovator to being a follower (i.e. Florida style Death Metal and then groove metal).

Kathaarian wrote
ND are the kings of grind and rightfully so. Their death stuff are not that bad either. And their albums since The Code... have been nothing short of awesome.

Their death stuff is in my mind average at best. The groove stuff is poor and I like groove (e.g. Morbid Angel's Domination is a phenomenal album in my mind).

Their albums since Enemy of the Music have been decent/good grindcore. But they're very samey and get quite repetitive.

Part of the problem is song overload - the average per album is about 14-15 songs. Most of them are similar and they tend to blur into one another and usually get bored by about track 8. And so many of them are not memorable even for fast grind.

If they reduced the number of songs to say 8-10, it'd be a lot more interesting.

I have to say I've always also been more partial to Benediction as well... :dio:

dead1

Goat

Kathaarian

Decent black thrash. Nothing amazing here but the flashes of brilliance to be found in this shows a lot of promise for the future of the band.

Goat

Skartasis

Afro_D-Shak

This may already be the best black metal album of 2011.

Yes, 2011. It wasn't released here in the states until recently.

Afro_D-Shak

This is absolutely recommended for metal fans with eclectic taste. It's like a mix of Dream Theater, Meshuggah, and Stratovarius, with a touch of Gothenburg sound and even a hint of black metal. It's BRILLIANT.

North_From_Here

Afro_D-Shak wrote
This may already be the best black metal album of 2011.Yes, 2011. It wasn't released here in the states until recently.

The best black metal album I have heard this year....ok, I'll grant that.

Not expecting it to hold up, however.

stevelovesmoonspell

Napalm Death at their worst is still infinitely better than Carcass, though Carcass had their moments on Symphonies.

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