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Where do we put folk metal? Are Mastodon to go with the prog stuff?

Also: Non-metal stuff like Russian Circles that fits in neither of these categories?

I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right?

Eyesore wrote:

I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right?

They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album.

Adam wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right?

They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album.

I don't like them much, so you could be right. I know they're not like typical metalcore bands, but the whole screaming thing made me think they could be like sludgey metalcore or something. I don't hear any prog, though.

Eyesore wrote:

Adam wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right?

They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album.

The new album has very little screaming, and there are definitely elements of prog, but I'd still put them in the avant-garde section.

Most people here have no clue what avant-garde is.

Good for you, Misha. :zzz:

I've always thought of progressive as mixing genres and gently pushing the boundaries of music while avant-garde is just going head first into the realms of fucked up.

My point is I know exactly what avant-garde is (impossible!), but as Adam has said the voting thread, for better or worse, is being used as a catch all. But any excuse, right?

Author:	Adam [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:13 am ]
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Feel free to discuss your votes in these categories here.

Author:	Ness [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:36 pm ]
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I can't even think of anything to consider.

Author:	Radagast [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:49 pm ]
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Where do we put folk metal? Are Mastodon to go with the prog stuff? Also: Non-metal stuff like Russian Circles that fits in neither of these categories?

Author:	Adam [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:24 pm ]
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Radagast wrote: Where do we put folk metal? Are Mastodon to go with the prog stuff? Also: Non-metal stuff like Russian Circles that fits in neither of these categories? I think all of those could go in the avant-garde thread, except for Russian Circles, which probably belongs in the alt-rock/metal thread.

Author:	Eyesore [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:49 pm ]
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I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right?

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Author:	Adam [ Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:13 pm ]
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Eyesore wrote: I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right? They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album.

Author:	noodles [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:19 am ]
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I'd say they're alt-metal/rock

Author:	Eyesore [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:58 am ]
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Adam wrote: Eyesore wrote: I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right? They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album. I don't like them much, so you could be right. I know they're not like typical metalcore bands, but the whole screaming thing made me think they could be like sludgey metalcore or something. I don't hear any prog, though.

Author:	noodles [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:32 am ]
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Yeah their new album only has the screaming thing on 2-3 songs

Author:	Adam [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:46 pm ]
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Eyesore wrote: Adam wrote: Eyesore wrote: I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right? They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album. I don't like them much, so you could be right. I know they're not like typical metalcore bands, but the whole screaming thing made me think they could be like sludgey metalcore or something. I don't hear any prog, though. The new album has very little screaming, and there are definitely elements of prog, but I'd still put them in the avant-garde section.

Author:	Eyesore [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:48 pm ]
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Adam wrote: Eyesore wrote: Adam wrote: Eyesore wrote: I think Mastodon should go in the Avant-Garde metalcore thread. In fact, they're kind of like avant-garde metalcore, right? They could go in either avant-garde or prog, most likely avant-garde. However, they are in no way shape or form metalcore, at least not on the newest album. I don't like them much, so you could be right. I know they're not like typical metalcore bands, but the whole screaming thing made me think they could be like sludgey metalcore or something. I don't hear any prog, though. The new album has very little screaming, and there are definitely elements of prog, but I'd still put them in the avant-garde section. Word.

Author:	Misha [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:56 pm ]
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Most people here have no clue what avant-garde is.

Author:	Radagast [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:50 pm ]
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Good for you, Misha.

Author:	Adam [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:07 pm ]
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Misha wrote: Most people here have no clue what avant-garde is. Noted. And, as I've said numerous times, the avant-garde voting thread is being used as a catch-all for albums that don't fit well in any other genre. That doesn't mean they'll all be correct, though. Avant-Garde is experimental and pushes boundaries, at least by my definition. So, if an album is tough to categorize, it has to be just a bit experimental.

Author:	Dago [ Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:51 pm ]
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Converge shouldnt be put in the metalcore section! It's more like post-hardcore/screamo so it would fit more in the avant-garde section.. IMO

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Author:	noodles [ Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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I've always thought of progressive as mixing genres and gently pushing the boundaries of music while avant-garde is just going head first into the realms of fucked up.

Author:	Ness [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:32 am ]
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Radagast wrote: Good for you, Misha. He's far superior to us imbeciles.

Author:	Misha [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:39 pm ]
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noodles wrote: I've always thought of progressive as mixing genres and gently pushing the boundaries of music while avant-garde is just going head first into the realms of fucked up. Yeah, something like that. Progressive usually means that it's not extremely hard to digest, that's why you find the term avant-garde mostly in classical music and jazz. There is still a lot of music that would fit the category in instrumentally heavier music, such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHPFBxruoHg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7FzgNf8UYo (Just for Noodles' bass) At Rada and Ness: stop whining, you'd say the same thing if I thought Cellador to be hairmetal.

Author:	Radagast [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:08 pm ]
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My point is I know exactly what avant-garde is (impossible!), but as Adam has said the voting thread, for better or worse, is being used as a catch all. But any excuse, right?

Author:	Misha [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:36 pm ]
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Radagast wrote: My point is I know exactly what avant-garde is (impossible!), but as Adam has said the voting thread, for better or worse, is being used as a catch all. But any excuse, right? Ah, then we sort of agree.