Legacy Of The Night wrote:
It's like... Hardcore/Metalcore stuff. Not sure which to call it.
See, its hard to know what to call it.
Its a killer album though!
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:59 am ] |
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Today i bought Norma Jean's new album, and i was thinking, what genre is it? What do you guys use to refer to Dillinger style stuff? Is it metalcore? or Math metal? or something else all together? |
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| Author: | Legacy Of The Night [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:06 am ] |
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It's like... Hardcore/Metalcore stuff. Not sure which to call it. |
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:53 am ] |
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Legacy Of The Night wrote: It's like... Hardcore/Metalcore stuff. Not sure which to call it.
See, its hard to know what to call it.
Its a killer album though! |
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| Author: | Dago [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:08 pm ] |
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Math metal is an inappropriate term IMO it should be just called post-hardcore. |
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:12 pm ] |
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Dago wrote: Math metal is an inappropriate term IMO it should be just called post-hardcore.
where did math metal come from? Is it a term based on the technical nature of the music or the theme? I read somewhere that the 'scene' dillinger were in when calculating infinty was released loved the albums title because it sounded "mathematical", when really it was it was in reference to the unpredictability of life and how it was impossible to calculate ones own infinity. Or something. |
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| Author: | Misha [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:13 pm ] |
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Indeed, math rock is a common term, but I've never heard of math metal. Usually, that is referred to as tech death, or indeed post-hardcore. The post-hardcore genre is quite large, and it has little to do with hardcore. Same goes for post-punk, which is a much older genre. |
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:31 pm ] |
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Misha wrote: Indeed, math rock is a common term, but I've never heard of math metal. Usually, that is referred to as tech death, or indeed post-hardcore. The post-hardcore genre is quite large, and it has little to do with hardcore. Same goes for post-punk, which is a much older genre.
What has always confused me is how post-rock, post-hardcore, etc can exist even though rock and hardcore still exists......isnt post....after? |
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| Author: | Dago [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:38 pm ] |
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Some people categorize Meshuggah as Math Metal but the most precise tag would be Technical Post-Thrash. Math Metal is a generic tag for a band that plays technical metal. Post-Hardcore is indeed completely different from plain hardcore. Listen to Agnostic Front and then listen to Converge or Norma Jean and you'll have a good idea of what the difference is. |
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:45 pm ] |
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Dago wrote: Some people categorize Meshuggah as Math Metal but the most precise tag would be Technical Post-Thrash. Math Metal is a generic tag for a band that plays technical metal.
Post-Hardcore is indeed completely different from plain hardcore. Listen to Agnostic Front and then listen to Converge or Norma Jean and you'll have a good idea of what the difference is. I can hear the difference, but the whole way of naming genres is still totally insane imo
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| Author: | Misha [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:23 pm ] |
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I'm not too sure about the Post-Thrash idea, name me 15 Post-Thrash bands, hehe. 15 Math Rock, Tech Death or Post-Hardcore would be easy but Technical Post-Thrash??!?! Why not just call it Tech Death with some Post-Hardcore in fluences? |
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| Author: | noodles [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:51 pm ] |
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I generally just call it technical metalcore. Post-hardcore is wayyyyy too broad of a term that pretty much anything fits under - Neurosis, Converge, These Arms are Snakes, Isis, Minus the Bear, At The Drive In, Refused - pretty much anything that has to do with the hardcore genre but isn't. I remember the singer of tDEP calling the term math metal retarded because everyone in the band had trouble with simple addition 
Meshuggah don't really fit into a genre. |
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| Author: | Ness [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:24 pm ] |
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So what would Spiral Architect be considered then? |
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| Author: | noodles [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:04 pm ] |
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I've always though of them as prog metal. |
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| Author: | Thy Serpent [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:42 pm ] |
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I've seen people use the term Math Metal to describe Tool. 
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| Author: | Ness [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:46 pm ] |
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noodles wrote: I've always though of them as prog metal.
Hmm... I'd say they are math metal. |
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| Author: | Dago [ Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:30 pm ] |
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metalNESS wrote: So what would Spiral Architect be considered then? Technical Progressive Metal would be a good tag IMO. Misha wrote: I'm not too sure about the Post-Thrash idea, name me 15 Post-Thrash bands, hehe. 15 Math Rock, Tech Death or Post-Hardcore would be easy but Technical Post-Thrash??!?! Why not just call it Tech Death with some Post-Hardcore in fluences?
Yeah post-thrash is a really restricted genre but Meshuggah is not technical death and maybe they have hardcore influences but the thrash influence is way more evident. That is just my reasoning though i am not really sure of what i am saying. 
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| Author: | noodles [ Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:16 am ] |
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Being super precise about genres is kinda retarded
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:47 pm ] |
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Thy Serpent wrote: I've seen people use the term Math Metal to describe Tool.
i would just say modern prog rock i guess 
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| Author: | Misha [ Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:07 pm ] |
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following the reaper wrote: Misha wrote: Indeed, math rock is a common term, but I've never heard of math metal. Usually, that is referred to as tech death, or indeed post-hardcore. The post-hardcore genre is quite large, and it has little to do with hardcore. Same goes for post-punk, which is a much older genre. What has always confused me is how post-rock, post-hardcore, etc can exist even though rock and hardcore still exists......isnt post....after? Yeah, but people still make the old thing. Classical music that is made today is also still classical music. If you'd make Rococo today, that doesn't mean it can't be Rococo... |
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| Author: | Rhys [ Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:46 pm ] |
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Misha wrote: following the reaper wrote: Misha wrote: Indeed, math rock is a common term, but I've never heard of math metal. Usually, that is referred to as tech death, or indeed post-hardcore. The post-hardcore genre is quite large, and it has little to do with hardcore. Same goes for post-punk, which is a much older genre. What has always confused me is how post-rock, post-hardcore, etc can exist even though rock and hardcore still exists......isnt post....after? Yeah, but people still make the old thing. Classical music that is made today is also still classical music. If you'd make Rococo today, that doesn't mean it can't be Rococo... how does one classify if its rock or post-rock tho? sound i guess? edit: i mean how am i gonna determine if something is post-, avant garde-, progressive-, etc. its all the same thing really or what? |
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