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Oof, bad result for us Libs tonight. 6th in a by-election, beaten by nazis. 36% turnout, but still.


Who are the "Nazis"?


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Oof, bad result for us Libs tonight. 6th in a by-election, beaten by nazis. 36% turnout, but still.


Who are the "Nazis"?


BNP. Maybe not, strictly speaking, actual Nazis from the 1940s who speak German, but close enough to warrant a small 'n' version of the word. Scumbags, in either case, who are in mourning at the moment because a large section of their vote went to UKIP, the closest thing we have to a Tea Party.


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I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

You do live in a bit of an idealistic fantasy.


Just ignore him Dead he's a brainless twat that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about :rolleyes:


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dead1 wrote:
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I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

You do live in a bit of an idealistic fantasy.


Just ignore him Dead he's a brainless twat that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about :rolleyes:
Who is following who?


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traptunderice wrote:
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I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

You do live in a bit of an idealistic fantasy.


Just ignore him Dead he's a brainless twat that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about :rolleyes:
Who is following who?


I'm showing you how annoying you are :rolleyes:


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MetalStorm wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:

I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

You do live in a bit of an idealistic fantasy.


Just ignore him Dead he's a brainless twat that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about :rolleyes:
Who is following who?


I'm showing you how annoying you are :rolleyes:


You need Ken around here again.


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I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

Nice reasoning there, homes.


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MetalStorm wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
dead1 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:

I don't know foresee why cultural differences couldn't be ironed out.They are intelligent, cultured people.

You do live in a bit of an idealistic fantasy.


Just ignore him Dead he's a brainless twat that doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about :rolleyes:
Who is following who?


I'm showing you how annoying you are :rolleyes:


You need Ken around here again.


Do we really need him around here again :huh:


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An interesting report from Libya.

In this instance Gaddahfi's troops are defending well against opposition forces who are starting to retreat.

Meanwhile new rebel recruits get stoned on hashish and loot the local shops.

This is the reality of war and revolution. As much as Westerners get hard ons about "revolution" and "wars for freedom" the truth is they're never pleasant affairs.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/07/ras.lanuf.libya.wedeman/#
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Ras Lanuf, Libya (CNN) -- "Down! Down!" the man at my hotel room door said. It was 4:30 a.m. Monday in Ras Lanuf, and I had hoped to get a decent night's sleep for the first time in weeks. Yet again, my hopes were dashed.

Through the haze of sleep deprivation and exhaustion, I could say nothing. I understood nothing.

The staff of the Fadeel Hotel was going from room to room, telling guests -- journalists only -- that they had to leave, at once.

I quickly dressed, packed my bag, and went downstairs.

It was still pitch black outside, and the lobby was teeming with still photographers, cameramen, translators, fixers, producers and print and TV reporters, all trying to understand why the urgent need to leave.



Libya conflict moves closer to capital

The young and inexperienced go to war

Opposition at work in Benghazi

Thousands trying to leave Libya There were plenty of rumors, and no facts.

"Poison gas! Poison gas! Gadhafi is using poison gas!" one of the fighters told me.

"The army is coming here, they'll be here soon," said another.

"You must go now," the hotel manager told me. "It's not safe in Ras Lanuf."

The television in the lobby was tuned to the Arabic satellite news channel Al-Arabiya, which was flashing that Libyan government forces had taken up defensive positions around Ras Lanuf, which had been taken over by anti-Qaddafi rebels two days before.

The rebels had advanced beyond Ras Lanuf, by about 30 kilometers, to the town of Bin Jawad, but were pushed out within hours. Their advance westward, begun in the refinery town of Al-Brega, had come to a screeching halt.

And now it was beginning to look as if the tide was turning.

As we waited in the lobby, I had visions of the Libyan army pulling up outside the hotel, rounding us all up and taking us back to Tripoli, hands bound and blindfolded, to be put on trial. Libyan state television had announced that all journalists who had entered the country from Egypt without visas would be considered outlaws and, worse, collaborators with al Qaeda. As the first Western television journalist to enter Libya from Egypt during the current crisis, I had reliable information I was high on Tripoli's wanted list.

I watched as the Ras Lanuf press corps bundled into cars, or onto the back of pickup trucks, and drove away in the dark. We decided to wait until first light before moving.

In the meantime, the hotel staff was removing the big flat-screen TV in the lobby, and desktop computers and printers from behind the reception desk and back offices.

After the other journalists had left, the cleaning staff -- migrant workers from Bangladesh -- cleared away dozens of paper coffee cups, mopped the floor and emptied ashtrays overflowing with the butts of dozens of jumpy journalists.

When it became light, instead of going east -- away from the supposedly advancing Libyan army -- we and a crew from the BBC went west, toward Bin Jawad, to see if there was any truth to the claims Gadhafi's men were on the move.



We drove slowly, stopping regularly to survey the terrain, to ask any fighters along the way about what they had seen and what they knew about the front lines.

The few we met assured us the government forces were still on the outskirts of Bin Jawad and weren't moving forward. It was disconcerting, however, that as we continued to drive, there was almost no one to speak with. The usual gatherings of boisterous, friendly rebel fighters gathered around cars, pickup trucks and Chinese- and Soviet-made anti-aircraft guns were nowhere to be seen. The road was almost empty.

We stopped one last time about five kilometers east of Bin Jawad. Three kilometers away we could see something blocking the road. The BBC crew, who had a bigger and better camera, went a bit further to get a better look, but after about five minutes came racing back, lights flashing.

Meanwhile, we heard a jet overhead. We'd had two close misses with bombs a few days before, so we jumped to the side of the road, ready to lie flat in the sand in case they bombed again.

In the distance we heard the loud, hollow pop of anti-aircraft fire. The plane flew in a wide arch twice above us, but dropped no bombs. When it flew on, we regrouped with the BBC crew, who recounted that while videotaping down the road, a shot had been fired over their heads. The cameraman said he saw in his viewfinder vehicles pointing east toward Ras Lanuf, and men who were all wearing identical uniforms. That didn't sound like the motley opposition forces. And if they had been opposition forces, they would have opened fire with everything they had on the jet above. But they didn't.

In other words, those dots down the road were probably soldiers from the Libyan Army.

Driving back toward Ras Lanuf, we saw a huge plume of black smoke and brown dust a few kilometers up ahead. Libyan Air Force jets were attempting to bomb rebel targets again. It was just one of many such air strikes in the area Monday.

Along the main Benghazi-Tripoli road that skirts Ras Lanuf, we found groups of opposition fighters chanting and joking about Gadhafi "the dog," Gadhafi "the donkey," but it was beginning to all ring hollow. There seemed to be less of them about, and fewer and fewer appeared to be moving to the front.

We returned to the hotel in mid-afternoon. It was open again, but the staff had fled. The new "staff" was comprised of men and teenagers with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades. They were going from room to room, turning on the TVs, using the bathrooms, calling to their friends from the balconies. In the parking lot outside, they regularly fired rounds from their automatic weapons. Although I didn't see it, a print reporter friend told me they had spent much of the afternoon smoking hashish. To borrow a line from one of my old scripts, "morale is high, and so are the troops."

In the coffee shop, more fighters were crowded behind the bar, helping themselves to whatever was available, handing out bowls of cornflakes with milk and chocolate syrup. Everything was free.

Pickup trucks had pulled up in front of the hotel, and they were loading them with food and crockery from the kitchen. Theoretically, I suppose, they were commandeering supplies for opposition forces in the area.

All the while, they were eager to reassure the few journalists who had returned in the hopes of spending another night in the Fadeel Hotel that all was well, that they would be safe, that they would sleep soundly.

The more insistent their reassurances, however, the more tenuous the prospect of a night at the hotel became. The thought of stoned adolescents armed to the teeth stumbling around the halls at night, in addition to the very real possibility of a nighttime assault by the Libyan army on Ras Lanuf, was more than even the most battle-hardened war correspondents cared to ponder.

The CNN crew was among the last guests to leave the hotel just after sunset. There was no need to settle the bill or return the keys.


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Also why does that moron John Kerry think that "cratering" Libyan airfields would make a lick of difference.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/08/world/middleeast/08policy.html?partner=rss&emc=rss


Cratering airfields generally doesn't shut down airports for long - the Brits learned this the hard way in the Falklands.

You drop a bomb on it one day and it gets filled up at night.

Furthermore the Libyans most effective air support tool are attack helicopters which don't need runways and can operate from literally anywhere (especially rugged Russian built Hinds and Hips).

Stupid politicians talking out of their arse again.


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Andrea Teti is one of my International Relations lecturers.
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes ... 23212.html
EDIT: 4.40 onwards.

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I love cute little charts, budget cuts v. tax breaks:
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I like the bit about tax cuts.

I'm technically a high income earner (AUD$76,000 pa and will be continuing to climb to about AUD$85,000 in the next couple of years) so paying less tax is a really important issue to us. I'm currently paying about $22,000 in tax per annum.

The previous Australian government tax absolutely slashed taxes while the current pinko commies are increasing them via such bullshit as a carbon tax (after specifically stating that they would not introduce a carbon tax).

Pinko commies should be led outside parliament and shot. They only rule due to dodgy deals with some independents and the Greens party who are the real power in Australia right now.


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I like the bit about tax cuts.
WHAT THE FUCK!? The tax cuts, the tax breaks in America, save wealthy fucks all this money so that they can buy luxury yachts and snort coke off of hookers or "7 gram balls because that's how they roll" yet all of these public programs getting cut can easily be afforded if these tax breaks were lifted and those fuckers' money went to paying for taxes for the luxuries which they enjoy in a society like roads, schools, fucking etc. Taxes are what you submit to in a society if you so choose to live there. Ugh.


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traptunderice wrote:
...yet all of these public programs getting cut can easily be afforded if these tax breaks were lifted and those fuckers' money went to paying for taxes for the luxuries which they enjoy in a society like roads, schools, fucking etc. Taxes are what you submit to in a society if you so choose to live there. Ugh.


My family benefits from the Australian tax cuts. I have an extra several hundred bucks a fortnight because of them.

I do not benefit much from the tax hikes - our roads are falling apart, our education system is failing and our hospitals are dirty with bad service.

This is because the taxes get chewed up by mindless and ever growing bureaucracy. Ironically I am one of these bureaucrats.

It's also because stupid politicians make stupid badly conceived promises which translate into bad policies e.g. promising cancer treatment equipment but not providing funding for staff to operate it or even room to put it in, or by ordering hundreds of pointless studies that never go anywhere.

Y'know in my department it takes about 6 people and 4 different units to approve the employment of a single cleaner or nurse?


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It's their fucking money!
What gives anyone the right to take it from them?
That chart is bullshit, based on the fact that

a) the upper 10% pay most of the taxes anyway.
and
b) the tax "cuts" are across the board, not just for the rich.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays- ... taxes.html

Top 1%
$380,354
38.02% of tax

Top 5%
$159,619
58.72% of tax

Top 10%
$113,799
69.94% of tax

Top 25%
$67,280
86.34% of tax

Top 50%
$33,048
97.30% of tax

Bottom 50%
<$33,048
2.7% of tax

Note: AGI is Adjusted Gross Income
Source: Internal Revenue Service

So as you can see, the rich pay their fair share already.


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traptunderice wrote:
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I like the bit about tax cuts.
WHAT THE FUCK!? The tax cuts, the tax breaks in America, save wealthy fucks all this money so that they can buy luxury yachts and snort coke off of hookers or "7 gram balls because that's how they roll" yet all of these public programs getting cut can easily be afforded if these tax breaks were lifted and those fuckers' money went to paying for taxes for the luxuries which they enjoy in a society like roads, schools, fucking etc. Taxes are what you submit to in a society if you so choose to live there. Ugh.


Bullshit; it's their fucking, money, what they choose to do with it is none of your business.

Cram that communist bullshit, this ain't Cuba.
The "government" needs to get it's absolutely reckless and dangerous spending under control. Period.
$223 BILLION deficit for the last month. ONE MONTH!


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It is not their fucking money. Their wealth results from the workers who work for them or if that's too lefty-sounding for you, their abilities arise out of the societal context which they deserve to return their wealth to. Insofar as they were educated by teachers, partook in public programs growing up and had those programs always there for them as a safety net, they deserve to contribute.

It's like insurance. You don't get to keep your money if you never make a claim on your insurance. You pay into it, no matter what, just so that it is there in case you need it.


The tax cuts aren't just income taxes but all of the Bush tax cuts that are coming up for vote. Here is the list of what they are and where they got the figure from:

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Row 1: Figure represents half of the estimated $23 billion cost of weakening the estate tax for 2011 and 2012. See: Gillian Brunet and Chuck Marr, “Unpacking the Tax Cut-Unemployment Compromise,” Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, December 10, 2010, available at http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3342.

Row 2: Figure represents 1 percent of the fiscal year 2011 tax expenditure estimate for the mortgage interest deduction, over 10 years. The vacation home deduction accounts for at least one percent of the tax expenditure cost. See: Office of Management and Budget, Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012 (Executive Office of the President, 2011), table 17-1; Congressional Budget Office, “Budget Options” (2000), REV-02.

Row 3 (now re: estate planning): General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 4 (now re: itemized deduction limit): General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2011 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2010).

Row 5: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (subpart F active financing exception).

Row 6: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 7: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (half of total cost of two-year extension).

Row 8: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 9: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011) (10-year cost).

Row 10: Office of Management and Budget, Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012, (Executive Office of the President, 2011), table 17-1 (expensing of multiperiod timber growing costs and capital gains treatment of certain timber income).

Row 11: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (half of total cost of recent two-year extension).
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/02/tax_breaks_infographic.html


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traptunderice wrote:
It is not their fucking money. Their wealth results from the workers who work for them or if that's too lefty-sounding for you, their abilities arise out of the societal context which they deserve to return their wealth to. Insofar as they were educated by teachers, partook in public programs growing up and had those programs always there for them as a safety net, they deserve to contribute.


It's their money. They (or their ancestors) worked for it. Many of them worked very hard to build up businesses especially in the early days.

Look at people like Richard Branson who went from no-one to very rich through hard work.

It's true that the employees contribute to this wealth but they get paid salary and wages for as compensation.

And as you can see from stats provided by cry of the banshee, the rich pay their dues.


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traptunderice wrote:
It is not their fucking money. Their wealth results from the workers who work for them or if that's too lefty-sounding for you, their abilities arise out of the societal context which they deserve to return their wealth to. Insofar as they were educated by teachers, partook in public programs growing up and had those programs always there for them as a safety net, they deserve to contribute.

It's like insurance. You don't get to keep your money if you never make a claim on your insurance. You pay into it, no matter what, just so that it is there in case you need it.


The tax cuts aren't just income taxes but all of the Bush tax cuts that are coming up for vote. Here is the list of what they are and where they got the figure from:

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Row 1: Figure represents half of the estimated $23 billion cost of weakening the estate tax for 2011 and 2012. See: Gillian Brunet and Chuck Marr, “Unpacking the Tax Cut-Unemployment Compromise,” Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, December 10, 2010, available at http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3342.

Row 2: Figure represents 1 percent of the fiscal year 2011 tax expenditure estimate for the mortgage interest deduction, over 10 years. The vacation home deduction accounts for at least one percent of the tax expenditure cost. See: Office of Management and Budget, Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012 (Executive Office of the President, 2011), table 17-1; Congressional Budget Office, “Budget Options” (2000), REV-02.

Row 3 (now re: estate planning): General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 4 (now re: itemized deduction limit): General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2011 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2010).

Row 5: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (subpart F active financing exception).

Row 6: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 7: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (half of total cost of two-year extension).

Row 8: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011).

Row 9: General Explanations of the Administration’s Fiscal Year 2012 Revenue Proposals (Department of Treasury, 2011) (10-year cost).

Row 10: Office of Management and Budget, Analytical Perspectives, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2012, (Executive Office of the President, 2011), table 17-1 (expensing of multiperiod timber growing costs and capital gains treatment of certain timber income).

Row 11: Joint Committee on Taxation, Estimated Budget Effects of the “Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010,” JCX-54-10, December 10, 2010 (half of total cost of recent two-year extension).
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/02/tax_breaks_infographic.html


Bullshit.
It IS their money.
I'm not even going to waste any more time, words or effort on this commie nonsense. Go back to fucking Russia.
They put up the capital, they took the risks, more likely than not they put their lives into their business venture and they supplied the workers with jobs.
If those poor downtrodden workers want to get rich, nobody is stopping them. Wealth is NOT a zero sum concept.

This is a capitalist country, if you don't like it, you're free to leave.


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