Metal Reviews

Ah okay, so your opinion fluctuates because there are bad arguments for the side you seem to agree with on other grounds. Actually, it pains me when people make stupid arguments for vegetarianism (and there are plenty of those arguments). I think in these situations you just have to ignore what seems stupid and think about it long and hard yourself until you can be more sure of an opinion. My opinion fluctuates about a lot of things too.

The humane argument actually does make sense in some situations, such as horrible genetic disorders that make people's lives a short hell on Earth for example. I'd abort a kid with Harlequin ichthyosis even though there are incredibly rare cases in which people with the disease thrived. I'd do it for no other reason than the fact that harlequin ichthyosis fucking sucks. As for people's domestic situations, if the child is not given up for adoption there may be some rare situations in which the humane argument makes some sense. It's all fuzzy. There is no one-size-fits-all argument for or against.

Gay marriage is legal here, and while I don't know any same-sex married couples, I have three gay friends, I've never seen them harrassed, and they're some of the nicest people I know. The fact that I get compliments from them is a leeeetle strange, but, whatever.

As for abortion, I think it is perfectly ethical to do away with a bunch of still-lifeless cells. However, it would be better to prevent conception beforehand, if not for ethical reasons, than for medical and logistical reasons. It's much less of an effort to slip on a condom than to get an abortion.
The only direct experience I have with the issue is the situation in Switzerland. Sexual education is not very big here, and there occasionally is a surprising level of ignorance among young teenagers, but there are so many organizations that bombard you with pamphlets, free condoms, pharmacy coupons for eventual pill purchases, gynaecologist appointment arrangements in case you're too shy, that everyone who's having sex knows fully about the possible consequences.
The reason why the abortion, teen pregnancy and STD rate is climbing in the US is because all the teens hear is abstinence. You're never going to stop teens from having sex, and american teens fuck just as much as we do. But the religious influence (which is actually contradicting itself, they can't claim that abstinence is the only way to be 100% sure, Jesus' mom was a virgin!) is still strong enough to try to get teens to not have sex, and in doing so, causing these problems by lack of information and love gloves.

Well, in most states if a school starts a sex-ed program that teaches something else than abstinence-only they lose funding. Teens are being told that condoms do not work and as such fuck without them.

In Australia the only kind of sex-ed I got was 'reproductive technologies' which focused on how babies are made but not on how to prevent them. There was half a lesson on contraception. Until I had a pregnancy scare which ended with me breaking up with my first boyfriend as soon as I got the red flag of freedom (I was with him for over a year) I've never even had any real education about contraceptives except basic knowledge about the pill and condoms. I went out, got STD tested, and eventually after a second and very serious pregnancy scare I got switched to an uncommon kind of contraception I've never even heard about before then. So now I'm happy and healthy, but not without the aid of Family Planning, which at the time had rather shoddy offices and were somewhat underfunded. Gladly they have much better offices now.

That is insane.
When I was around 14 years old we had a biology class where we put condoms on glass tubes and stuff, to get the feel for it or something. Anyway, the teacher was great about it and relaxed, so we spoke about all kinds of things during class. Another day my whole class went to a free clinic, or whatever I should call it in english, to speak with them about sex. Before we left they gave everyone a pack of condoms and told us that we could come back anytime if we needed more.

So sex education is a pretty big deal around here.

*googles*



Christ, I'd abort it too.

Dude, you live in Sweden. Sweden makes more sense than the rest of the world in a lot of ways.

My girlfriend left me for that reason too.
Oh well...

Yeah it certainly does. I'm just baffled over the differences sometimes.

Dago, he left me. He just kept off leaving me until it was certain that I was not preggers. Don't know whether that's a good thing or not. The jackass broke up with me over MSN.

Oh that sucks. But I guess it's better for you. Sounds like he didn't have balls at all.

I went through the same thing in school. The teacher even ended the topic by saying something like: "Now we have talked a lot about all the complications and practicalities, but don't forget that sex first and foremost should be an enjoyable experience. So don't focus too much on the negative sides, just keep them in mind... etc. etc blah blah". Ah, the cultural differences...

Even though I am a bit late on the main topic of this thread, I find it strange that it is even being discussed. Whatever happens between two consenting adults is above the petty morals and judgement of others.

Australia is a fairly socially conservative country with somewhat unusual censorship laws for a Western country. The sale of X-rated materials is illegal (except in the capital and the surrounding territory) and no violence, even non-sexual violence off-screen is allowed. Pouring hot wax on the body is not allowed either, but allowed in mainstream movies. I can't buy a rope bondage instruction manual because it's too violent for example. WHAT THE FUCK IS VIOLENT ABOUT WANTING TO TIE PEOPLE UP? Scat etc is obviously illegal to sell.

It is illegal to host any kind of pornography on an Australian server and there is no porn industry here because frankly, the most that's legal to produce is some softcore nudie shots. Female genitals are photoshopped to look like Barbie crotches in the rare shots that they are shown and no male erections anywhere.

There is no bill of rights guaranteeing free speech. There are sedition laws with penalties harsher than what some hit-and-run vehicle man slaughterers get. There are no legal nude beaches in the state I live in.

I just made the place sound like hillbilly town ._.

JESUS...
Oh yeah, speaking of him. Is he allowed? Or is it to violent to have statues of him nailed to the cross?


We have a nude beach about 1 kilometer from here, although I almost never visit it. Mostly some old ladies over there anyway. Or so I've heard

The only people who ever visit nude beaches are people who should-- under no circumstances-- be nude in public. It's a sad truth, it is.

Perhaps in other places that's a fact, but in Spain that's not true. Here all kind of people visit nude beaches, and in some places (Like Ibiza or Formentera there're not boundaries between nude and not nude beaches... everyone goes as he/she wants).

As everywhere else, censorship is softer on violent than on sexual content unless it's in a game. It is softer on animated things. I hired a DVD not too long ago that copped an MA 15+ rather than an M because there was a scene where a baby carriage rolls down a set of stairs and the end result looks as if the baby was actually a blood bag rather than a thing with tissue. I suppose it didn't get the R because it's animated.

Oh boohoo my sex ed was rubbish bwaaaa!

So was mine, but if you need school to teach you about fucking then you need to fuck off really.

Extremely stupid logic...

But anyways, I'm taking a government class for summer school (no, I'm not stupid, it's so I can have a free period next year) and I'm impressed with how awesome much of Europe is. I've also learned that capitalism is primarily what is bringing America down, not any of the other shit. (end random)

The entire concept of "victimless crime" is bloody stupid.

This thread just degenerated into crap. Wtf heatseeker and FrigidSymphohy? Would you allow someone, say the Christian Church to forbid you to have sex outside of marriage and perform and receive oral sex? Because that used to be controversial.

Metalhead_Bastard, as usual you're shit. People are not born knowing how to fuck and how to prevent themselves from getting pregnant or coming down with nasty diseases. It is also important to teach about the legal sides of sex. A good source of reliable sex ed information is essential or else you have people thinking that pulling out or sex standing up is a contraceptive. In some places stupid ideas like 'you can't get pregnant if you have sex under a red lamp'. Do you want more stupid teenagers conceiving and having waste babies? Because I like my tax going into the coffers of politicians who want to sniff cocaine rather than spent on babies.