Metal Reviews

Ozzy OSbourne made sabbath famous, without whom we would all be a lot of metal short. I can also talk about Julius Ceaser, Charlemagne, George Washington...

Some things come from us, some things don't.

1. That really does not dismiss God at all. People who believe in God generally believe that God does not say that, so I'm not sure why you assume that that logic alone so easily dismisses God. I think God can be dismissed, but not with that argument.

2. You have the completely wrong idea of what coming from us means. You just gave an example of a problem with democracy. I simply said that many of these ideas come from humans, I never said that they should all be voted on to determine their quality.

3. Some things cannot exist outside of us. Beauty is the reaction. It does not exist outside of its relationship with the person who sees/feels/hears the beauty.

If a tree falls down in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound. Yes. Yes it does. We know sound exists outside of humans, that most animals on Earth can pick them up, that we would all hear the same sound, and that sound can even have physical effects--can break glass. We know sound exists outside of ourselves.

Beauty, however, does not. Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder, and without that beholder, there is no beauty to speak of.

a persons conception of beauty can change, so yeah, I guess that's true.... but the argument against god is that assuming god had said so, would this have made it so? if everything god says is the absolute truth, than what if he had said "thou shalt kill"? I think that's a valid argument.

Well religious people generally believe their God to be a loving one. To most people, a religion that suggests God thinks killing is okay is a false one.

You have to keep in mind that the "teachings of God" is not something that comes exclusively after the belief. People look at the teachings to help them decide if they want to believe in God in the first place.

So could God change his mind? Not really.

First off, God won't suddenly say "killing is okay" because God doesn't say anything. So, he can't really change his position on the matter. Perhaps Christianity is an example of a change in God, but it created a new religion. Then there is the fact that God changing his stance on an issue denotes imperfection. God is supposed to be perfect and absolute. Yes, the New Testament does completely contradict the Old, but the fact that people deny this blatent reality proves my point stronger.

Ahhh, we can always come back to music, can't we? SHUT UP! Ozzy was Sabbath's mouthpiece. If you want to thank one person for Metal (which you shouldn't) look slightly behind Ozzy and to the right and you'll see this guy with a guitar and two diminished fingers.

I worship Tony Iommi. Remember the first discussion i had? Tony>Adrian Smith i know that it was tony, but ozzy kinda made 'em famous, you know? he was the performer.

Why? So you can masturbate to my hotness? :roll:

I very much doubt you'd apologise.

Masturbate to my hotness slut!:

Woo, you don't know until you've tried! Are you hot? I'm thinking of the public service I'd be doing, here. And if I say I'd apologise, then I would. That was far too nasty of me, there.

Why do you need to see what I look like in order to apologise? :?

I don't. That's the condition under which I apologise.

Haha I love the way that Desolate girl ignored "masturbate to my hotness slut!"

Can you blame her?

To think God can't be imperfect is the origin of most misinterpretations in religion.

It is not a contradiction that a perfect God is imperfect. Contrary, if he wasn't imperfect then he would lack imperfection; hence he could not be perfect (how could something perfect lack something?) In the same way you can explain why there is relative world when God is absolute.

A perfect and absolute God is eternal energy AND eternal consciousness AND eternal being (if he wasn’t a being he could not be absolute, because the absolute must include everything relative and in the relative world there are beings)
As such he includes limited energy (the origin of matter), limited consciousness (the origin of the soul) and limited being (the origin of creatures).
The creation is an inescapable consequence of the creator, nothing else.
Infinity in time and space is the imperfect image of eternity beyond time and space. Since God is perfect and absolute, he never changes in his entirety. Hence the creation must be a "zero-sum game" in time and space. This is why there is Duality and Karma, i.e. for every action there is a corresponding reaction (actio = reactio) in the spiritual and in the material world. And, for the same reason every action and reaction in the spiritual world must have corresponding action and reaction in the material world (in metaphysics it is said that the world is shaped by the consciousness) because otherwise the absolute would change.

You can explain everything (science, metaphysics, the core of all pristine religions) with this approach except the fact why the creator exists. But the same goes for materialism which can't explain the original existence of energy/matter either - either way you have to believe.

It is not God's task to prove his existence. It's men's funeral to see the proofs that are already there. As human beings we have the privilege of free will. We can choose what we want to believe or even if we want to believe. It is easy to believe in materialism because most people do so. You can use Occam’s razor and say that materialism is right because the only precondition is the existence of energy and everything else could be explained out of that (big bang, cosmology, life formation, evolution). On the other hand you can explain everything out of the existence of a perfect and absolute God too.
But we can also judge according to the fruits the materialistic world-view bears: destruction of the ecological balance, world-wide pollution, exploitation of animals and plants, cutting down of the rain forest, violence, profiteering, genocide, and so on. I personally don’t like this world with no real love and no respect for live and I don't think that a spirtual world-view would lead to the same result. Therefore I decided to believe in God (the absolute and perfect God, not one of the false Gods proclaimed by institutionalized religions). And after I started to believe, I found the proofs, got insight into "higher" coherences, experienced love and -finally back on topic- stopped eating carcasses; I just couldn’t do it anymore. If someone calls me a fag for this, I can live with that.

And people like you are the ones deserving of respect more than anything else. You don't eat meat because of your principles, which you arrived at yourself. It's a moral choice, and your morals are made by yourself.

Ultimately, though, there isn't a great deal of difference between you and an atheist. You certainly have more in common with me than with most Christian/Muslim/whatevers.

I'm going to have a hamburger for dinner tonight.

And I arrived at this decision all by myself.

I wasn't gonna but since you asked for it: Fag.

But what is a hamburger Craig?

I just applied Occams Razor and, well, I think I'm bleeding. Someone call an ambulance!!!

Oh noes! Tell them you cut yourself on your razor sharp wit! They'll be like "yo dawg, u niggaz is funny! We gonna operate on you soon!"

Plus Occam won't get arrested this way.

You're god is dead!
And no-one cares!
And if there is a hell, I'll see you there!

And hamburgers ist krieg!