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Let me know what you think of that one, KBrahm. I managed to read all the interesting Lives of Plutarch as well as Suetonius' The Twelve Casears. Now I'm busy with Byzantium again, specifically The Alexiad.

I guess I should mention (in case someone cares) I also recently read Karen Armstrong's Holy War.


Well, I've read two "biographies" of Augustus now in the past two months, and I think I'd reccomend this one over the other (the other was titled "Augustus: Godfather of Europe and it was written by Richard Holland). Holland's book is more detailed and better written when it comes to the time between Julius Caesar adopting Octavius and Philippi, though not by much (Everitt also makes some assumptions in this section that are grating- he for example states definitely that Marc Antony knew about the Ides of March based on one source). The period between Philippi and Actium is covered equally well by both, though I'll give the win to Everitt here because his analysis is simply better. But far and away, whereas Holland's account of Augustus' reforms and principate completely sucks, Everitt's is excellent. He examines the reforms in details, gives plausible reasons for their institution, deduces Augustus' main goals, and you really get a sense of the man (all done with excellent prose). It weakens once again towards the end (and the introduction, which also covers Augustus' death) when he makes a silly conspiracy theory that in order to ensure the succession of Tiberius, Augustus had himself poisoned when he didn't die. But, it was still an excellent read, and I reccomend it over Holland's biography.

Oh yes, and Holland's central thesis (that Augustus is like the Don Corleone of ancient history) is about one of the stupidest things I've ever read. Despite the amount of detail of the Mutina campaign and Octavian and Marc Antony fighting over the Caesarion leadership early on, read Everitt.

However, once you're done reading that, and have a good grasp of the facts and the people, you'll have to read Ronald Syme's The Roman Revolution, which is an astounding piece of scholarship and probably the most influential book on the Augustan Age out there. I say that you should only read it after Everitt because in order to follow the arguments, you will need to know what exactly happened beforehand. A fascinating read.

And, now reading:

Ovid- The Metamorphoses


As always, your input is appreciated, kbrahm. I have some spending money, so I'll be grabbing the Everitt and Syme soon. As an aside, have you read Gore Vidal's Julian? I've come across Julian (The Apostate) somewhat before and he seemed like one of the most fascinating Emperors.


Funny, I was actually planning on picking that up on my next trip to the bookstore.. Supposed to be an excellent historical fiction novel. Julian is indeed a fascinating Emperor; a classicist fighting against Christianity. I'll tell you what I think of the book when I read it.


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finished "A Game of Thrones" on the tube (subway to you americans) today. pretty cool..

loved the characterization, the way he narrated and the intrigue; on the bad side the prose was kinda repetitive and the world-building was kinda cheesy, i.e. 7 gods/face of the god, 7 kingdoms, 7 people in the kingsguard, etc etc.

all in all a very entertaining read though, 16/20, and i want to read the next one now (a clash of kings - btw what did you think of it?).

also, Viserys and Joff really come off as complete pricks. well done George RR Martin.

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finished "A Game of Thrones" on the tube (subway to you americans) today. pretty cool..

loved the characterization, the way he narrated and the intrigue; on the bad side the prose was kinda repetitive and the world-building was kinda cheesy, i.e. 7 gods/face of the god, 7 kingdoms, 7 people in the kingsguard, etc etc.


Note that the fact that there are seven Gods influences everything else- the reason there are seven people in the kingsguard is because of the religion (though I won't say that for the seven kingdoms)- but yes, a lot of the use of seven seems logical rather than cheesy to me.


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Cell - Stephen King

So far, so good. Much better than The Girl What Loved Tom Gordon.


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I just picked up The Portable Nietzche.

It has Twilight of the idols, The antichrist, Nietzche contra Wagner, and Thus spake Zasthura. As well as some selections from Homer's contest and Human all too human. So far a very interesting book. I just read the part in Human all too human where he talks about Jews. :blink: Its a little fruity, but its made up for by the rest of the writings.


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I just picked up The Portable Nietzche.

It has Twilight of the idols, The antichrist, Nietzche contra Wagner, and Thus spake Zasthura. As well as some selections from Homer's contest and Human all too human. So far a very interesting book. I just read the part in Human all too human where he talks about Jews. :blink: Its a little fruity, but its made up for by the rest of the writings.


Can I ask what he wrote about the Jews in Human All Too Human? In Beyond Good and Evil he states that he admires them and that they are amongst the strongest people, which always struck me, since Hitler used Nietzsche to approve of Jew killing. Twilight of the Idols and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are excellent reads, but I do reccomend Beyond Good and Evil to nicely sum up his philosophy. Plus the middle section has some excellent quotes.

Zad- Ya, Tom Gordon fucking sucked, as do most King books from the last 15 years (Green Mile and Dark Tower excluded). Cell was an okay read, but nothing great.


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I just picked up The Portable Nietzche.

It has Twilight of the idols, The antichrist, Nietzche contra Wagner, and Thus spake Zasthura. As well as some selections from Homer's contest and Human all too human. So far a very interesting book. I just read the part in Human all too human where he talks about Jews. :blink: Its a little fruity, but its made up for by the rest of the writings.


Can I ask what he wrote about the Jews in Human All Too Human? In Beyond Good and Evil he states that he admires them and that they are amongst the strongest people, which always struck me, since Hitler used Nietzsche to approve of Jew killing. Twilight of the Idols and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are excellent reads, but I do reccomend Beyond Good and Evil to nicely sum up his philosophy. Plus the middle section has some excellent quotes.

Zad- Ya, Tom Gordon fucking sucked, as do most King books from the last 15 years (Green Mile and Dark Tower excluded). Cell was an okay read, but nothing great.


How much do you read in an average week, Kbrahm? Also, I was wondering if you purchased the Norwich Byzantium set yet?


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I just picked up The Portable Nietzche.

It has Twilight of the idols, The antichrist, Nietzche contra Wagner, and Thus spake Zasthura. As well as some selections from Homer's contest and Human all too human. So far a very interesting book. I just read the part in Human all too human where he talks about Jews. :blink: Its a little fruity, but its made up for by the rest of the writings.


Can I ask what he wrote about the Jews in Human All Too Human? In Beyond Good and Evil he states that he admires them and that they are amongst the strongest people, which always struck me, since Hitler used Nietzsche to approve of Jew killing. Twilight of the Idols and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are excellent reads, but I do reccomend Beyond Good and Evil to nicely sum up his philosophy. Plus the middle section has some excellent quotes.

Zad- Ya, Tom Gordon fucking sucked, as do most King books from the last 15 years (Green Mile and Dark Tower excluded). Cell was an okay read, but nothing great.


How much do you read in an average week, Kbrahm? Also, I was wondering if you purchased the Norwich Byzantium set yet?


Depends how much school work I have- I also read fiction a lot faster than non-fiction, and my favourite fantasy stuff a lot faster than anything else. On average, then, I'd say I read about 600-700 pages a week, though sometimes that number could go to 2,000 and at others 30. And yourself?

I haven't been able to find the Byzantium; however, I did fine a 600 page abridgement of it, which is much better for me than the 200 page one I commonly see, so I'll begin with that and buy it the next time I'm at the bookstore.


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That is a pretty good rate you go at. I've been in the bad habit of only reading non-fiction or difficult fiction lately, so my rate per week is lower, about 400-500 pages. I wish I had gotten into fantasy or something years ago so I could break up the heavy reading sometimes.

I'm looking forward towards your take on the Byzantium stuff.


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I just picked up The Portable Nietzche.

It has Twilight of the idols, The antichrist, Nietzche contra Wagner, and Thus spake Zasthura. As well as some selections from Homer's contest and Human all too human. So far a very interesting book. I just read the part in Human all too human where he talks about Jews. :blink: Its a little fruity, but its made up for by the rest of the writings.


Can I ask what he wrote about the Jews in Human All Too Human? In Beyond Good and Evil he states that he admires them and that they are amongst the strongest people, which always struck me, since Hitler used Nietzsche to approve of Jew killing. Twilight of the Idols and Thus Spoke Zarathustra are excellent reads, but I do reccomend Beyond Good and Evil to nicely sum up his philosophy. Plus the middle section has some excellent quotes.

Zad- Ya, Tom Gordon fucking sucked, as do most King books from the last 15 years (Green Mile and Dark Tower excluded). Cell was an okay read, but nothing great.


he was talking about the formation of a "european race" rather than individual nationalitys. He says that everyone would be important and contribut ingredients that are desireable, even though when talkign about bad traits he said "These qualities may even be dangerous and revolting to an unusual degree."
Shortly followed by this:
"the young stock-exchange Jew is altogether the most disgusting invention of mankind"

He then talks about forgiving them as a whole for this because there are many jews who balance it out. A compasionate anti-semite of sorts. Wierd.


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right, i'm bookless (i doubt i can find "A Clash of Kings" in Portugal). i was just wasting my time on Wikipedia when i came across Richard Matheson, an eas especially intrigued by "What dreams may come" and "i am legend". anyone familiar with his works? what do you think?

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oh oh oh what about Dune, what do you guys think about it?

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oh oh oh what about Dune, what do you guys think about it?


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oh oh oh what about Dune, what do you guys think about it?


brilliant

That should be a recquired reading. The first three books are amazing, and th rest of the series is worth reading too. The only one that i think was weak was god emperor of dune.


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right, i'm bookless (i doubt i can find "A Clash of Kings" in Portugal). i was just wasting my time on Wikipedia when i came across Richard Matheson, an eas especially intrigued by "What dreams may come" and "i am legend". anyone familiar with his works? what do you think?


'I am Legend' is a fantastic read. It's tense and to-the-point, but also gives more food for thought than other horror novels. You should definitely check it out. I found 'Dune' to be a bit of a non-event but then it really wasn't my style anyway (not so much into sci-fi/fantasy epics).


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brilliant

That should be a recquired reading. The first three books are amazing, and th rest of the series is worth reading too. The only one that i think was weak was god emperor of dune.


First book is indeed amazing, and next two are pretty good. Everything after that, though, I would classify as shit. Especially when Frank dies... if you see the words "Brian Herbert" or "Kevin J. Anderson" or even worse, both on a Dune book, run.


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First book is indeed amazing, and next two are pretty good. Everything after that, though, I would classify as shit. Especially when Frank dies... if you see the words "Brian Herbert" or "Kevin J. Anderson" or even worse, both on a Dune book, run.


The Prelude To Dune ones? Yes, huge drop in quality.


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First book is indeed amazing, and next two are pretty good. Everything after that, though, I would classify as shit. Especially when Frank dies... if you see the words "Brian Herbert" or "Kevin J. Anderson" or even worse, both on a Dune book, run.


The Prelude To Dune ones? Yes, huge drop in quality.


Have you read Chapter house? It felt to me like it was getting back into what made the first three great. i think that the health and death of his wife had alot to do with the drop in quality.

Have you guys read the SEQUELS they wrote. I just sww that they made two new ones that come after chapterhouse. I have been meaning to pick them up because I loved chapterhouse but it ended in such a shitty way, They just go cruising out away from the Bene gesserit and Honored Matres and theres no real ending. Its like he meant to write the next one but didn't.


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