Metal Reviews

:shock: How could I miss this discussion?

For me open mindedness in music has nothing to do with varity in taste. Someone who listens exclusively to Lithuanian NSBM could be open minded as well as someone who listens only to 20's Chicago Jazz. I think, open mindedness is simply the absence of close-mindedness. And close-mindedness starts, when you don't accept anything that doesn't fit your own taste. I can't stand most of the TrOO posters, because they constantly bitch about everything that is over their heads: This is wanky, that is gay, ...
To me open-mindedness means to accept that everyone has his own taste and that my taste is not the yardstick for what is bad or good. One of the most annoying expressions of close-mindedness is a statement like:What the author probably means: I'm a DT fanboy but I won't argue about a statement like this, because the author talks about himself. The first statement, however, is nothing but a close-minded, bloody-stupid generalization for me. Well, I won't argue about that either. :roll:

Yes, but part of the greatness of art is its ability to generate argument and discussion. That would never happen if we were all open minded.

Or, it would, but those discussions would just be lame.

Not quite. when someone says:


They presumably mean:


Presumably.

I'm Wanky, but I'm not gay....

Meh, why must the English always have 25 words to say the same thing.
probably and presumably translate into the same German word, so I probably (likely, supposably, presumably) took the wrong one.

Edit: I assume, that you didn't get my message.

Of course! As long as you discuss and argue to add to your own view it's fine. However, my impression is, that most discussions are about to be proved correct or to rebut others. You never can expand your own view this way. People who always speak against something will remain as close-minded as they are.

No, I got it perfectly. The way you worded it was typical "if you don't like Dream Theater its because you're just too stupid to understand it."

I get that a lot from DT fans.

Many of them can't understand the fact that i can comprehend the technical aspects in DT's music (being a player myself, pretty well versed in music theory) and respect their skills as musicians, but their music is just not my bottle of beer.

Ähm, no. I didn't use the word stupid and I didn't say anything about understanding. I said, some can not comprehend what they are doing. In the same way I can not comprehend what e.g. Black Metal is about (based on listening to 45 different bands). However, I won't enter a discussion and argue that BM is pointless noisy shredding and brainless shrieking that is just a showcase for its protagonists' evilness and kvltness .

Lets not argue semantics. "Comprehend," "understand," its the same thing. You say no one's taste is 'more right' than anyone else's, and then immediately say the only reason someone could describe Dream Theater's music as wanky is because what they do is beyond their comprehension.

Again, you take your twisted interpretation of what I said as fact and argue about that. It doesn't make any sense for me to continue this discussion.

Is Death Metal wanky because it employes guttural vocals at the expense of understandable lyrics?

You don't listen to Death Metal for the lyrics. That's like saying, is early Napalm Death wanky because there aren't many solos?

Ya, thats basically what he said. "There are too many time signatures and long solos for me to comprehend the coherence." Now if thats not calling someone too stupid too like music, I don't know what is.

This is Wanky, he makes me lo...

That's how you want to read it and I wonder why... :twisted:
I'm too stupid to understand DT from a technical point of view because I haven't any musical education. But they sound coherent to me, despite the wanky stuff. So I can comprehend what they do, but this doesn't mean that I'm smarter than those who can't.

1. Painkiller is a boring and primitve album.
2. I don't like Painkiller because it lacks time signatures changes and long solos. I can not comprehend what they do, because the verse/chorus/(short)solo is nothing to me.

Which one of those statements is the stupid one?

Both!

The DT example is absurd as my sarcastic DM example and your ND example. It's all about accusing a band of not meeting your taste. That's what I call close-mindedness in it's purest form.

I knew you were the first to come with this

Why can someone just not like something becuase of that reason: he doesn't like it? Calling it 'meeting your taste' is something else.

because we use our brains as to know why we like this better than that...