Metal Reviews

For some reason Dead1 always has something to complain about every once in a while which is really pointless. This is because the topic of the threads made by Dead1 is the way of the world and it will take centuries to change so nothing will change in our life time. I avoid watching the news because it's filled with horrible news about the vile human nature and things they are capable of doing. There is a lot good things happening in the world which Dead1 is incapable of seeing. People helping people in times of disasters and Amnesty International and the U.N. for diplomacy. I know politics can get vicious but it can also be very peaceful and uplifting. You seem to always see the empty half of the cup Dead1. You have told me before in another thread that you couldn't care less about the things you see around you, so why post these things, anyway?

Lots of good stuff, sure.


I wouldn't include the UN for diplomacy though - if you actually do a bit of research, you'll find it's an absolute corrupt joke with next to no real resolutions of conflict.

This sort of stuff where rapists and murderers walk free gets my blood boiling.

Western humanitarianism is creating a situation whereby the victims are ignored while the perpetrators of violent crime are either slapped on the wrist at best and sent home at worst.

Violent offenders should be either executed or at least jailed in horrific conditions for long periods of time.

Oh and that's right, prisons are pretty cushy. My wife's been through one as part of her work.

The section she went through was deemed for long stay prisoners who behaved well so they each had their own cell with a computer/internet, televisions etc. They were installing a giant flat screen television in their common room. Very comfortable she said.

The juvenile detention facility where my best friend works as a guard (euphemistically called a "youth worker) is comfy too with DVD players, Playstations/XBoxes, the internet and tons of other stuff. A lot of these juveniles are extremely violent and have been involved in rape, stabbings etc. It's actually very difficult to get into it and is reserved for extreme cases.


All this while we're cutting down the numbers of police, shutting schools and canning health services (I'm just working on a plan to gut a third of our mental health services due to budget cutbacks - whole Health department has been slashed by a third).

CONCLUSION 3: In Australia violent crime gets you some comfortable lodgings with all the modern conveniences while essential service are cut.

On the subject of failed judicial action, Dear Zachary was a really good movie that made me embarrassed about the Canadian judicial system.

Do countries without a death penalty have reduced instances of capital offenses per capita?

EDIT: I'm not being rhetorical, I really don't know.

Even if it's not a deterrent, why should a serial rapist, a pedophile or a cold hearted murderer be allowed to live free in the community?

And if they're locked up, why should they be treated with diginity and respect and live in relative luxury?

i don't think anyone said we should give killers and rapists internet and TV...

actually this did make me reconsider my position on the death penalty (this must be an internet first). i supported it but if it's not a deterrent (capital crime rates remain pretty much the same) and legal processes are too drawn out to make more economically viable than prolonged prison terms...

it is possible not to believe in rehabilitation in some cases, as i do and i think death penalty supporters do too, but a hard prison sentence can serve as a bigger punishment than death, while allowing for the ultimately innocent to still be saved on occasion (like in that NYT article someone posted recently here... can't find it now)

what are you guys' views on hard labour for convicts, if you can get them to do it without security costs offsetting any potential gains?

I wouldn't be against prison labour per se, not sure they should be forced to break rocks all day or whatever though. Something constructive for everyone rather than Cool Hand Luke situation.

The principle of the death penalty - the ultimate punishment - isn't necessarily wrong. I just think it will never work in practise due to reasons explained, and that death isn't necessarily the harshest punishment for some.

I'm not sure trying to find the worst punishment for these (sick) people is relevant. It sure feels like justice, but what's the point ?

The really important part, the one that really matters, is to remove them from society. For a long time. Even for a lifetime if needed, no problem. But what's the point on killing them, or punishing them with horrific life conditions ?
When a serial rapist/murderer does his sick stuff, he doesn't think "oooh noes, I shouldn't do that shit, I will be caught and punished, maybe they'll even kill me !". No, he just acts, without thinking. He does what he has to do. The fear of punishment plays absolutely no part whatsoever here.

As for detention conditions, good behaviour should always be rewarded (after five years at least). Internet connections, TV, dvdplayers, xboxes, shouldn't be an option the first years, but after that ? Why not, to some extent, with limited and controled access ? How about a system such as : the first five years you have nothing, you just suffer in silence and you shut the fuck up (and you work ! Let them be useful ffs). 5 to 8 years : 2hours/month of fun stuff. 8 to 10 : 4 hours. And so on.

Anyway, my point is : I'm not sure society has anything to gain by being inhuman with the inhuman. It seems counterproductive to me.

A proven rapist, child molester / killer, or cold blooded murderer deserve neither dignity nor respect.
They should be eliminated quickly, permanantly and without any remorse. Fuck 'em, I have no heart at all for them.

Not as a deterrent (except on each individual basis, sadly, after the fact), not as revenge, but as a means of absolutely guaranteeing that they will never lash out again.
And to hell with paying fot their room, board, meals and whatever else the penal system supplies on the taxpayers dime.

The whole point of a quick execution is to avoid the waste of resources and prevent they attack again, not because some sort of justice. Kill 'em all.

Apathy should not disqualify serial offenders from the same kind of punishment that would be imposed on someone who consciously overcame their "fear" of the punishment.

I support the death penalty but if life in prison is the only option, they should be deprived of anything save a bed, a toilet, a sink, a shower, and some food. Homeless people can't even enjoy even those basic things, much less their dead victims.

And what, leave them to themselves? Prisons would become Victorian-style lunatic asylums. Showing them more humanity than they showed their victims is what makes us civilised.

As for summary execution, my mind boggles at how it would work. If interrupted mid-rape/murder by a cop, that cop is allowed to execute him?

We would be showing them more humanity than they showed their victims by just doing the things I mentioned before. We wouldn't be torturing them, sticking it up their ass, or killing them.

We haven't implemented Biblical justice, yay for us! Justice shouldn't be measured by saying to the perp "at least we didn't rape you, asshole."

Well I know how we could solve that problem.....

Are you really advocating the use of rape by the state as punishment? Really? Come on now.

No, sorry about that. When I just made that post I was focusing on your comment about the Victorian style looney house. If we put people to death, that would take care of that problem. I was about to edit that to clarify but you were too quick.

This conversation is quickly taking a private message feel.

Although I don't believe there such a thing as human nature and we are merely a reflection of mother nature itself which is immense and endless in nature, I still believe these people we are talking about should be wiped out of the face of the earth without a doubt. I also believe if the budget is there they should be living in inhuman conditions for the rest of their lives and suffer to last breathe of their existence. Human nature is vast and endless.... So what it comes down to is responsibility to its fullest for each and every individual. The human being—through his consciousness—creates his own values and determines a meaning for his life because, in the beginning, the human being does not possess any inherent identity or value. So if an identity of a human being is so very disgusting in nature it becomes a responsibility for them to SUFFER. Killing is an easy way to deal with it because it's an instant relief but suffering is long and more deserving. Revenge is a meal best served cold.

Alright, and what's the point on revenge, exactly ? What does the society gain to be "avenged" ? This is beyond me, I just cannot understand. Put all the motherfuckers of the world behind bars for the rest of their lives, and I'll say good riddance, because in this case we actually gain something. But killing ? Torturing ? Humiliating ? *sigh*

Edit : and I understand the "yeah but keeping them alive is costly for the society" thing. But to me, it is part of the price to pay to have safe streets.
To sum up : Price of lifetime sentences < (Moral) Price of murder (and that kind of punishment)

Agree.



Pretty much.