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What would you do?
Keep them alive. Life is better than death, however bad a life. 12%  12%  [ 3 ]
Set them free. Why force them to suffer? 84%  84%  [ 21 ]
Don't know... 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
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Just to make a quick point: there's a great film everyone should watch called Hable Con Ella ("Talk To Her"), about this subject. Really, really good film.


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Zad wrote:
Just to make a quick point: there's a great film everyone should watch called Hable Con Ella ("Talk To Her"), about this subject. Really, really good film.


Oh, is that the movie where the guy is like, "I'm a fag, you insensitive prick." And the other guy is all, "Oh, I am sorry. Bye." Then the guy is all, "I'm not really gay, wink wink."

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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
Zad wrote:
Just to make a quick point: there's a great film everyone should watch called Hable Con Ella ("Talk To Her"), about this subject. Really, really good film.


Oh, is that the movie where the guy is like, "I'm a fag, you insensitive prick." And the other guy is all, "Oh, I am sorry. Bye." Then the guy is all, "I'm not really gay, wink wink."

?


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the one with the bull-fighting?


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Uhhmm, duh!

"I'm a female matador."

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE~!

"I am a breathing corpse."

And then the scene in the hospital I talked about, and the rest of the movie happens too.


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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
Uhhmm, duh!

"I'm a female matador."

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE~!

"I am a breathing corpse."

And then the scene in the hospital I talked about, and the rest of the movie happens too.


And it's a very good film.


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Nu-uh, I hated it. Here's why:

1. The Bull wasn't CGI animated.
2. The bull didn't do silly stuff in the ring, like put up his dukes, and say, "Put 'em up, wise guy," like I was hoping a CGI bull would. But, they messed the whole movie up from square one...
3. When she got gored, she just fell down!!! She shoulda grabbed her butt, and screamed "YEOUCH!!!!" flying up into the air 47 feet, only to realize how high she was, waving to the camera before descent.
4. The Rock didn't have a cameo in the movie.
5. There wasn't 37 minutes of sex. They missed that mark by AT LEAST 2 minutes. And I don't mean real sex. CGI sex.
6. The bull didn't wink at the camera at the end of the movie.

Two thumbs down, brutha.


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Definitely pro. Everybody should have the right to decide what they want to do with their own life. That includes ending it. If the person is in a coma I'd say go for it as well... I don't see why you would keep the bodily functions alive if the 'person' as such is dead...


@ Vinnie: :lol: Please :roll:


Coma is different than Brain dead...


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Let me first say that this issue isn't as simple as one might think. Contrary to popular belief, patients are not suffering. They are on so many painkillers there's no possible way they are in enough pain to want to die. They want to die simply because they are treated like shit and they feel that they aren't wanted.

Although I do respect a patients decision to die, I think they should be more of an effort to make the patients feel wanted.


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heavenly Damnation wrote:
Let me first say that this issue isn't as simple as one might think. Contrary to popular belief, patients are not suffering. They are on so many painkillers there's no possible way they are in enough pain to want to die. They want to die simply because they are treated like shit and they feel that they aren't wanted.

Although I do respect a patients decision to die, I think they should be more of an effort to make the patients feel wanted.

Contrary to this insane ideal that you seem to have concocted due to a lack of connection with the real world, people do suffer. Just because you see a doctor, or go to a hospital, doesn't mean you are going to feel perfectly fine, emotionally OR physically. It's funny, a professor of mine was just talking today about how people, Americans in particular, form these big opinions on things they know nothing about and then treat them like the word of God. Is it laziness, or are we just that damn cocky? Either way, trust me, suffering is a big part of the end of your life.


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What the fuck is this? "Every person should have the right to commit suicide", what's up with that anyway? Or the even worse "I'm being treated like shit at this hospital, it seems much better to END MY FUCKING LIFE instead". :roll:

Principles, people. Having hospitals for saving lives and not for ending them = yes plz. The pain and suffering that will inevitably follow as a result, especially with the increasing life expectancy of the first world, that's a price I'd be willing to pay so that everyone's perception of life's values don't get all fucked up.

There are cases where I'm willing to make an exception...keeping someone's heart and brain at work just because there's technology and science that can make it happen seems a bit silly, especially if there's absolutely no chance of said patient to live a remotely enjoyable life ever again - but even so the policy should be kept uttermost restrictive. That would of course be what you'd call "passive" euthanasia, even though I normally don't make much of a difference between the two.


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VinnieVincentInvaded wrote:
What the fuck is this? "Every person should have the right to commit suicide", what's up with that anyway? Or the even worse "I'm being treated like shit at this hospital, it seems much better to END MY FUCKING LIFE instead". :roll:

Principles, people. Having hospitals for saving lives and not for ending them = yes plz. The pain and suffering that will inevitably follow as a result, especially with the increasing life expectancy of the first world, that's a price I'd be willing to pay so that everyone's perception of life's values don't get all fucked up.

There are cases where I'm willing to make an exception...keeping someone's heart and brain at work just because there's technology and science that can make it happen seems a bit silly, especially if there's absolutely no chance of said patient to live a remotely enjoyable life ever again - but even so the policy should be kept uttermost restrictive. That would of course be what you'd call "passive" euthanasia, even though I normally don't make much of a difference between the two.


Hospital for preserving dignity and alleviating suffering=yes plz!


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Hospitals not spreading NRSA - yes please!


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Radical Cut wrote:
heavenly Damnation wrote:
Let me first say that this issue isn't as simple as one might think. Contrary to popular belief, patients are not suffering. They are on so many painkillers there's no possible way they are in enough pain to want to die. They want to die simply because they are treated like shit and they feel that they aren't wanted.

Although I do respect a patients decision to die, I think they should be more of an effort to make the patients feel wanted.

Contrary to this insane ideal that you seem to have concocted due to a lack of connection with the real world, people do suffer. Just because you see a doctor, or go to a hospital, doesn't mean you are going to feel perfectly fine, emotionally OR physically. It's funny, a professor of mine was just talking today about how people, Americans in particular, form these big opinions on things they know nothing about and then treat them like the word of God. Is it laziness, or are we just that damn cocky? Either way, trust me, suffering is a big part of the end of your life.

Let me rephrase that, people do not suffer from pain when they are doped up on vicodin, end of story. But suffering from things other than pain is entirely possible.


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I think Youthanasia by Megadeth is a very underrated album. :wink:

Serioulsy, pull the fucking plug please. If I'm a vegetable trapped in my own mind, I don't think that is a life. See the movie "Billy Got His Gun", the one featured in Metallica's One video. It gives a great look at how "fun" and how much of a "life" an incapacatated person has.

Plus, I love how everyone is pro life support, until they have to pay the fucking bill. The reality is, most people can't afford over $100,000 a year to keep a husk hooked up to a machine. I know I wouldn't be selfish enough to burden my family with that shit.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:31 pm 
Has anyone read 'The Diving Bell and The Butterfly' (I think), about a man paralysed after a stroke, he dictated it with his left eyelid (blinking) :shock: . There are exceptions to this 'kill off the weak' ideal metalheads seem to have, but I'm generally in favour of Euthanasia.


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VinnieVincentInvaded wrote:
Principles, people. Having hospitals for saving lives and not for ending them = yes plz. The pain and suffering that will inevitably follow as a result, especially with the increasing life expectancy of the first world, that's a price I'd be willing to pay so that everyone's perception of life's values don't get all fucked up.


Life is a series of chemical reactions experienced by a multitude of beings that occasionally shoot the shit and have a beer. The value that's in it is the value you -you, personally- assign to it, but only to your life. You couldn't possibly presume to be so arrogant as to try and define other people's lives for them, and say that they don't deserve the release of death because life has value.

This obsession with defining other people's lives in today's society is nonsense.


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