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we can eat meat, but we can also make it our moral duty to make the animals life as pleasant as possible

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If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


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If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.


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emperorblackdoom wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.



I know, democrats and republicans can't even speak to each other... however, I still wanna go to the states and talk liberal shit all over any rednecks I find.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.



I know, democrats and republicans can't even speak to each other... however, I still wanna go to the states and talk liberal shit all over any rednecks I find.


I won't get in your way!


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.



I know, democrats and republicans can't even speak to each other... however, I still wanna go to the states and talk liberal shit all over any rednecks I find.



Damn, you know a lot about America for having never been here...

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Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?



What do you mean by give purpose to your life? If we are just further evolved animals doesn't that mean that everything we do is just a result of chemical reactions and neurons firing in our brains?


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.



I know, democrats and republicans can't even speak to each other... however, I still wanna go to the states and talk liberal shit all over any rednecks I find.


You're fucking stupid, brah.

I'd rather be a "redneck" than some pussy liberal.


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Orion wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?



What do you mean by give purpose to your life? If we are just further evolved animals doesn't that mean that everything we do is just a result of chemical reactions and neurons firing in our brains?


I kinda get the same feeling. But if there is no purpose to our existence, think of it as an opportunity to make your own! Just do some shit as long it makes you happy (well, makes chemical reactions to cause you to feel 'happiness')


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Husker wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
emperorblackdoom wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?


because the church and the president tell us we are insignificant little shits with no purpose other than God.


That was unfair. Let Orion explain himself. And believe it or not, not all Americans love religion and the president.



I know, democrats and republicans can't even speak to each other... however, I still wanna go to the states and talk liberal shit all over any rednecks I find.


You're fucking stupid, brah.

I'd rather be a "redneck" than some pussy liberal.


Oh, what a sudden escalation. Well, Husker, it is a bit pathetic at this point that you justify your usually-hostile opposition to something as describing it as it being (a) "queer", "pussy", "fag", or "gay". The thing is, "pussy liberals" believe that a human being can be more than a piece of meat with a bar code. If you would rather blind yourself, then by all means, do it.
I do not see why everything has to escalate with such hostility. An over-testosteronal shitfest with everyone trying to prove themselves and their own correctness. When a discussion ceases to be productive, it then turns to an arguement, which is not.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:47 am 
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What they said. Health reasons = ok , because it's hip = fag


Are moral reasons okay? Where I stand, I became a vegetarian (not vegan) for the same reasons as George Bernard Shaw (who, btw, was indeed gay :wink: ) : "Animals are my friends and I don't eat my friends.". And it's not pompous or crazy to consider non-vegetarian as cold-blooded murders because, after all, you are eating carcasses of animals that have been killed for this sole purpose.

The Smiths - Meat is Murder wrote:
Heifer whines could be human cries
Closer comes the screaming knife
This beautiful creature must die
This beautiful creature must die
A death for no reason
And death for no reason is murder

And the flesh you so fancifully fry
Is not succulent, tasty or kind
Its death for no reason
And death for no reason is murder

And the calf that you carve with a smile
Is murder
And the turkey you festively slice
Is murder
Do you know how animals die ?

Kitchen aromas arent very homely
Its not comforting, cheery or kind
Its sizzling blood and the unholy stench
Of murder

Its not natural, normal or kind
The flesh you so fancifully fry
The meat in your mouth
As you savour the flavour
Of murder

No, no, no, its murder
No, no, no, its murder
Oh ... and who hears when animals cry ?


Have a nice day.


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hehe, he couldn't resist a veggie-thread! Still, I hope he stays..

and i agree with him about vegetarians out of principle, if they choose not to eat meat because they think it's wrong, i'm totally cool with it. Just don't start getting all smuck about it.


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We're spineless, aren't we? Should have stayed away and talked about how cool Fiona Apple is...

I eat meat, and am not ashamed. My father went through a vegan stage, until he was living on walnuts and water. Obviously, he became very ill and was nearly paralysed. Aren't crazy parents teh best?

If animals had rights, they should say so. Their fault for keeping quiet. :roll:

And Frigid, if you went to the US South you'd have the shit kicked out of you.
Bless. I know exactly what it's like there, I've watched Trailer Park Boys.


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Orion wrote:
Jaden wrote:
Orion wrote:
If we are just further evolved animals that means we have absolutely no purpose to our lives. How depressing. :cry:


Bullshit. Why can't you give purpose to your own life? Why does God need to do it for you?



What do you mean by give purpose to your life? If we are just further evolved animals doesn't that mean that everything we do is just a result of chemical reactions and neurons firing in our brains?


I kinda get the same feeling. But if there is no purpose to our existence, think of it as an opportunity to make your own! Just do some shit as long it makes you happy (well, makes chemical reactions to cause you to feel 'happiness')


But if everything is a result of chemical reactions in the brain do we really have any opportunities? If this is the case I don't see how free choice and personal decisions come into play.


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If everything is as a result of our brains, doesn't that give US the power? Try to find reasons to enjoy life rather than not.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:20 pm 
Well it's more than just chemical reactions. Anyway, the science of it all doesn't undercut anything.

I often ask religious people: If God gave beauty to humans, who gave beauty to God?

They reply "God."

If God could give beauty to God, why could humans not have given beauty to humans.

The response might be "because we're not God," but that's a statement I disagree with.

What does it take to be a God? Immortality? Our ideas are immortal, and those are what are relevant for shaping us, so we got that. And the question of our creation can be explained with evolution. So that leaves notions such as beauty and morality. But these are ideas that we have created. People have such a matrix-mindset to assume that humans could not have created these things. We did, and it doesn't make them any less real.

Beauty does not exist outside of us as its own entity. When you look at a sunset and you think it's beautiful, it is you, the human, who makes it so. But beautiful it remains.

Furthermore, I prefer no God. Imagine yourself looking at a beautiful woman (or man). Beautiful, let's say, on all levels. With God, you're just seeing God's beauty reflected on that person, but without, that beauty is entirely that person's own. Which is better I think.

Anyway, I'm hungover as shit and I have to work soon. Too much to say, too little time and will power.


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/\ /\ I thought you were a Christian? That's pure LaVey, that is. Agreed, though.


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