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i can't understand how you get laid.. there must be a god then

anyways, if god is all powerfull then you'll run into new problems, like why is the world so cruel and "evil" *sob* boohoo, like Satan and... me!?

if God exist he must be a woman anyways " Love me, think about my needs, don't cheat on me with other gods!!! Me ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!"

God must be logical.

Here's an argument some people try to use to disprove God. It does a shitty job of that, but it shows that God must be confined to logic.

They question: could God create a rock so heavy that even he could not lift it?

This does not disprove God, but it does prove that this rock cannot be created, and that God is bound by logic.

Well, he can be in two places at the same time, I heard he's not even confined to time, so I'd say he's perfectly capable of being able to do something and not being able to.

Nope. If he does it, he can do it, and not being able to do it is discredited. In what you propose God still lifts the rock.

Dude, everything that god is supposed to do is not logical. He's supposed to be above time, he's supposed to know what's going on all the time, while he actually exists without being subjective to time, that's not logical either! He has a stalker that says he's his son and that nails his hands to his cross, that's not logical either, he's above the laws of nature, the laws of nature and the laws of logic are one, so it's not logical if he's able to stand above gravity, he stands above logic as well, because gravity is a direct result of logic. Flying around defying gravity is just as unlogical as your unlogical statement.

God isn't confined to logic because the idea of something being "infinite" isn't logical. If God created something that he couldn't lift, it would have infinite mass, which would then suck everything else in the universe (via infinite gravity) into it and there would be nowhere to lift it to.

I actually have no idea where I was going with this.

if god isn't confined to logic, he can't exist, there's no such as illogical in this world we live in, there's only lack of knowledge

An anti-god topic on a metal forum? NO WAY!!

You call it Anti-God, we call it pro-logic.

i agree on the logic thing. The idea of ominipresence, defying gravity, ascending being from the dead, all those can fit in the logic of an all powerful being. Because this powerful beign created these forces he can control them. Logic is a human creation which we(could, would, should?) assume applies to all of existance. Useing logic though, the idea of a human form of thought applying to all of the cosmos is in opposition to itself, (illogical).

Religion is simply a convenient way for people to fill in the gaps of their understanding. The more we understand, the more the need for religion is squeezed out and eventually rendered irrelevent. Unfortunately for some people understanding and comprehension is simply too difficult and/or too daunting, so they snuggle up in the warm embrace of religious ignorance.

Bertrand Russel once said (words to the effect of), "The problem with our world is that the lunatics and fanatics are so sure of themselves, while the rational and sensible people are so full of doubts."

No, it's not. One contradicts the laws of nature, the other contradicts itself.

Infinite can be logical if you view time as a dimension (which relativity suggests it is).

Why would he want to? He exists according to his own boundaries, and if he wanted to change them, he could. Our understanding of him is based in logic, since our feeble minds aren't enough to comprehend him in his full multi-dimensional glory. It may seem that God has limits according to your hypothesis, but that's just because you're viewing him in human terms. Read some Kabbalah, get away from the Christian idea of God, that appears in human form just to die to cleanse humanity's sins (eh?).

Yeah, more or less, and cool for you dude that you've found that to live by that way as well ! It's a shame that I only have internet access at work these days as my home PC is fooked as I'd love to talk more on this subject.

So... besides the point and in general then, I have practiced many different faiths and religions because I think it would be wrong to remain ignorant and say, 'oh, Buddism's for hippies' or 'Islam is for fundamentalists' as a lack of understanding has caused so much insignificant death and war. I've tried Paganism as well, so does that mean I'm a barbarian? (Answers on a postcard please!)

I've based my 'faith' on so many different studies and, although I suppose the Chaos Theory is closest to what I think is happening with this existance technically, I've kinda made up my own 'mongrel belief'. I just merged a few things and created my own outlook on life to which I live to. I suppose I'm arrogant enough to say that I am my own personal 'God' because I'm not confined by the general relgions or views of others, therefore I do more of what I do because of it (anyone recognise some Buddism in there?), yet I am also aware enough to respect others to co-exist in harmony with their views and opinions.

I think that everyone is their own personal 'God' and we should be celebrating our existance, not to continue over complicating the fuck out of the over complicated life we've inherited from our ancestors, (not YOU and me personally, but you know, governments, industry, etc, etc).

I guess some will read this and say 'Now, THAT IS mental!'



Good point! I personally think it's wrong to criticise others for their beliefs even though I may not agree with whatever belief is debated. In my view everyone has the right to agree or disagree with someone's views, so you're right to question and I'm right in saying I disagree!

Laws of nature = laws of logic. Logic = mathematics, nature is their application. 1 + 1 = 2, a natural application is F = m a Mankind does not know all exact relations yet, just that they are. Superpowers = defying the laws on nature = defying the laws of logic. Your statement is basically 1 != 1, which is just as impossible as F = 0 = 9.81m, m != 0. Therefore, they are the same: if a being has superpowers, it is supernatural and always defies logic.

Conclusively, saying that God can defy logic is true, but this actually proves why God does not exist in a similar way as you do. You just pick something that sounds intantly impossible, while flying through the air is just as logically impossible. This is why I am a pantheist and this ubiquitous logic is my god.

It think it's the opposite. The more we know about existence, the more we see unanswerable questions. I don't say that these questions lead to certainty of a god. But it's actually a small step when you see all the things like gravity, fire and the system behind it. It's incredible. It's all too "casual" for the beings that live in this universe. But it's actually very remarkable. One can never will give the answer for why there is an existence of all things after all. Science cannot and does not give such answers. I don't see a reason to suggest that religion will render or is irrelevant. And I don't preach against science. But it has his evident limitations. I don't say that limited knowledge about existence necessary lead to the relevancy of religion

It would be a fundamental thinking error when one does generali e the evident limited knowledge to the relevancy of a religion.

To the maker of the thread: you try to discuss the existence of god with a written paper like the bibel? That isn't a definitive proof. Maybe the writers of the bible understood it all wrong

Shall we just say that noone knows anything, and I mean anything about anything. Faith or Science doesn't really hold any answers to any questions, and ends up creating more questions to explore; hence creating an so called infinite limbo of curiosity.

So if noone could possibly be deemed as right or wrong as there is no such thing as a perfect answer which matches the perfect question, then it is impossible for all of existance to exist in harmony. 'Is this the search for divinity?' is a darn could question but the answer could be yes, no or maybe, to which there will never be a universally harmonious response in agreement.

I reckon we came from nothing and are returning to nothing. If we are returning to nothing, this means that there was something before nothing which causes a reaction that stems something from nothing which continues this cycle called life? I do drink and smoke alot mind...

There's no reason to assume that either all laws of nature apply to God, or none do.

But God is still bound by laws of logic. Here's the difference:
For God to transcend gravity, think like this:

Humans (H) cannot transcend gravity.
God (G) can transcend gravity.
H cannot = Y
G CAN = Y
H and G can be different variables, and thus there is no contradiction when one equals Y and the other does not.

For the rock example:
The ability to lift the rock (A) and the inability to lift the rock (B) cannot be the same variable.
G= God (God, no matter how hard you try to think otherwise, is ultimately one entity).
A and B must be different variables.
If G = A, G cannot = B
If G = B, G cannot = A
Thus, G cannot = A and B, which is what the rock example proposes.