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I call bullshit on that. In an interview, he said he wasn't Catholic but he still believed in God.
We can agree that McVeigh was an avid fan of the Turner Diaries which has been linked to Christian Identity movements if not directly but at least in audience.

I'll accept the point that maybe sexism in x-ianity is not as malicious. Touche. However, I am curious how one can cull the fundamentalism out of one's group. You act as if disavowing their membership will solve all the problems.

Oh, and Stefan's baiting is real bitch-like.

Oh please, since when do you need religion to believe in (a) God?

Edit: forget about it, I'm going to cry myself to sleep over the lack of manhood and character trapt displays yet again.

No, not just that, asshole. But several different episodes. And I think the slum I spent time in was worse than your Euro 'burbs could be tbh. You said "utterly naive" and that's bogus. I don't know what I'm supposed to do to make you view me differently. I guess I'll never know what it's like to be upper middle class in a wealthy European country like yourself. It must be difficult and intellectuals like me just ignore your plight, always talking about brown people and how we're so mean to them. You're the real victim; will you be eating steak or lobster tonight, my friend? Probably neither now that I think about it. The Mexicans are probably swimming across the pond and taking all your jobs too, now that they've taken all of our jobs. I am naive on how bad your life is. I'm sorry. I should take my marxism elsewhere. I don't understand what it's like to really, really be downtrodden like christian white european males are.

See, you should have conceided that you were going too fast pointing fingers at the Muslims. Fridge apologized. Did you?
And nobody has anything to win, indeed, 90+ have been killed by a hateful scum, I don't give a flying fuck whether he wears a beard or a svastika...

Oh, please. He was a member of a neo-Nazi forum, for goodness' sake.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989

Can we all not agree to blame psychotics for spinning ideology into excuses for hatred and violence, rather than spout bollocks over how brown fascists attacking the west is worse than white fascists doing the same?

Exact statements:

TIME: Are you religious?

MCVEIGH: I was raised Catholic. I was confirmed Catholic (received the sacrament of confirmation). Through my military years, I sort of lost touch with the religion. I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs.

TIME: Do you believe in God?

MCVEIGH: I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that, it gives people an easier way alienate themselves from me and that's all they are looking for now.

Sounds like a Christian to me.

Oh my god, my manhood! my manhood has been challenged! ugh, you sir are correct. I'm a big flaming lady faggot. That's what this argument has been about all along.

wise words.

Trapt, belief in god or religion comes secondary to whether the person is a violent nutjob, surely? Who cares whether McVeigh was a Christian, you can't use that as evidence of anything any more than you can for bin Laden's Islam.

What's really fucking stupid, that cunt over actual people's lives:

I remember why Rio no longer posts around here, now. Political debate is nothing but polarised extremist excrement-flinging.

I agree to that but at some point the other team acted as if Islam is the only religion with violent members. I miss, Chuck. I'm out.

Have you read American Terrorist/ his letter to the Buffalo times? He claimed himself to be an agnostic, and professed his focus on science as guiding his mind in terms of his views. He may have been born a catholic, but those prior beliefs are not indicative of his status prior to his passing.

I didn't find an exact link but found snippets. I guess so. I guess he took the sacrament before execution out of respect for his family or maybe just as just in case measure. Zad was right to call me out for this. My argument became he killed because he's a Christian, not that Islamists are the only one with some weird twisted view of violence and religion that is so repulsive. I find McVeigh's admitting to Time that he believes in God as countering what he said about being agnostic so it seemed like he changed views before execution. Contradictory nutjob the more likely reason.

I gotta say that I have suspected this for quite some time.

It's very simple. Criticize all religion, everywhere, for whatever reason. Grown men have no excuse for having invisible friends, whether these friends tell them to not eat meat on Fridays or kill people who do. We don't let kids buy alcohol because they're not responsible enough. If that's the case, then I proclaim that religion is as much a right as drinking and should be policed accordingly.

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This is a terrible idea because it drowns out valid criticism in a sea of angry atheist babbling.

He lost other things too.

There is no conceivable valid reason to defend religion, so blanket criticism at every opportunity is a necessary step in the vilification necessary to attach a stigma to it that would remove it from cultured society.

There are plenty of valid reasons to defend religions, and this comes from a resolute atheist. The moral values all religion are meant to convey are good. Do not kill, do no steal, etc... It may sound like common sense but we all know many people wouldn't follow it if they weren't afraid of a divine justice of some sort.
Radicalism, integrism, on the other hand are plagues killing religions by spreading a message opposite of the one of tolerance, peace and justice they all share as a core.