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Oh come on, that Paraguay game heated up in the second half, Spain where never blending or anything. In the group matches they were neverreally offensive either where they? Didn't they play 4-5-1 in a couple of matches there?

By all means, you have probably watched more Spain matches than I have, however, I feel that they've been very unimpressive on attack the whole WC. They have been tactically slick, which of course is great for them. However, compared to the last EC when they where completely dominating, I don't feel they've been playing as good offensively here. I feel that most attacks ends in frustration for them, and I don't think that total shots thing matters as much. There are a lot of worthless shots taken, and aren't a measure of offensive greatness in my opinion at least. Except that Portugal game they haven't really been dominating their opponents have they?

Offensively Villa has been producing, which is good for them seeing as how Torres have been shit all tournament. We'll see. In my opinion, Spain isn't the best team in the world. Even if they beat Holland. They've had the bounces on their side all WC, which good teams of course tend to have. We'll see. Not worthy winners IMO. That's just my opinion though, attack it as much as you'd like to, it's not gonna change.


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Spain dominated Germany last game, who until they got shown up by Spain I would have said had been the best team in the tournament. The reason they don't get that many good chances is because people fill their boxes up with defenders. Spain spends entire games in their opponents third of the field looking for killer passes, which is great to watch IMO, although frustrating when opponents are so defensive.


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Oh come on, that Paraguay game heated up in the second half, Spain where never blending or anything. In the group matches they were neverreally offensive either where they? Didn't they play 4-5-1 in a couple of matches there?

By all means, you have probably watched more Spain matches than I have, however, I feel that they've been very unimpressive on attack the whole WC. They have been tactically slick, which of course is great for them. However, compared to the last EC when they where completely dominating, I don't feel they've been playing as good offensively here. I feel that most attacks ends in frustration for them, and I don't think that total shots thing matters as much. There are a lot of worthless shots taken, and aren't a measure of offensive greatness in my opinion at least. Except that Portugal game they haven't really been dominating their opponents have they?


Jesus take a break already. I get it, you dont like spain. But if youre going to criticize them, the least you could do is get your shit straight. Spain has spent the whole tourament attacking. Its difficult to score when every team parks the bus in front of their goal.

Offensively Villa has been producing, which is good for them seeing as how Torres have been shit all tournament. We'll see. In my opinion, Spain isn't the best team in the world. Even if they beat Holland. They've had the bounces on their side all WC, which good teams of course tend to have. We'll see. Not worthy winners IMO. That's just my opinion though, attack it as much as you'd like to, it's not gonna change.


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Oh I have my shit straight.. I won't bother anymore with it.


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Again, having Villa run up alone doesn't count as attacking. When Spain plays football it's like a roulette.

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Again, having Villa run up alone doesn't count as attacking. When Spain plays football it's like a roulette.


Have you even watched any of Spain's games :blink: This is like the worst description of their style in the world...


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Again, having Villa run up alone doesn't count as attacking. When Spain plays football it's like a roulette.


Have you even watched any of Spain's games :blink: This is like the worst description of their style in the world...


Yes. Their style is having and passing the ball in their's opponent field, while ALL their opponent are deffending, till there's an open pass for a good chance.

And statistics don't lie.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/statistics/teams/

For example, Spain has attack 97 times. the next team, germany, has attack... 75 times, 22 times less.
And another one. Spain has completed 3387 passes, with a completion rate of 81%. The nest one (Germany) has completed 2472, with a completion rate of 72%.


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rio wrote:
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Again, having Villa run up alone doesn't count as attacking. When Spain plays football it's like a roulette.


Have you even watched any of Spain's games :blink: This is like the worst description of their style in the world...


Yes O.o the best example of this was during the Germany game. The only time they had runs at the goal was when Villa just soloed it.

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That's because it's impossible to get behind the defense when they have nine players crowding the box. That is why Spain's style is so special. They pass and pass and pass until a crack appears, then they waltz through the crack and put a good effort on net.

You'll also notice that man of the teams Spain plays are of much greater stature physically, so that makes it even harded to penetrate the defense. All teams have adopted this style of play against Spain. You'll notice that other contests were much more wide open because teams would have their players spread across the entire field. Against Spain they mostly stay in their own half, specifically in and around the goal box.

So to say Spain hasnt played attacking football betrays a lack of knowledge. Spain plays a very possesison oriented attacking style of football, you can't take their competitors tactics and attribute the defense nature to them.


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As much as I dislike Spain, their attacking goes through their midfield more than any other team. Xavi, Alonso and Iniesta are the fundament of their attack, so I obviously disagree with Fridge here.

What I'm trying to argue is the quality, which I don't think have been top notch, I also find their style of play different and less appealing than earlier.


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I gotta say though that I REALLY enjoy seeing Pique play. Loving that guy. Don't know why, may be because he's a former Red, but I find his style pretty refreshing. Technical defender that does score a couple of goals.


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I gotta say though that I REALLY enjoy seeing Pique play. Loving that guy. Don't know why, may be because he's a former Red, but I find his style pretty refreshing. Technical defender that does score a couple of goals.


He is better than both Marchena and Albiol. I'm sure the Germans don't like that he is referred to as Piquenbauer


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Yeah, I remember watching him live when I lived in Spain and saw Barcelona - Malaga. He was outstanding, and capped everything of with a goal as well. True gem, that both Barca and Spain should value (Not saying that they don't)


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I think besides the teams techincal and tactical quality, there are no separatists or overt nationalists on the team like back in the old days. No Raul shoving nationalism in the faces of basque, catalan, or galician players.


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metal_xxx wrote:
As much as I dislike Spain, their attacking goes through their midfield more than any other team. Xavi, Alonso and Iniesta are the fundament of their attack, so I obviously disagree with Fridge here.

What I'm trying to argue is the quality, which I don't think have been top notch, I also find their style of play different and less appealing than earlier.


Yeah, they're playing worst than in eurocup, basically because some key players (Iniesta, Silva, Torres, Cesc) have been injured and aren't at the same level, and the others teams play more deffensive than the ones Spain matched in eurocup.

Spain started playin' really bad (against Switzerland and Honduras) but have been improving game by game, and against Germany they played really good.
And the reason is Xavi & Iniesta. They both are the heart and Soul of the team.
And Pique it's a great defender, and better in the opposite area than a lot of forwards.


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Even Paul Gascoigne's agent has admitted he has been left "speechless" by the former star's latest bizarre behaviour: turning up to the police stand-off with Raoul Moat claiming to be the fugitive's friend and offering to supply him with a can of lager, a fishing rod and a dressing gown.

Informed of the news, Gascoigne's agent Kenny Shepherd said: "He's doing what? I am sitting having an evening meal in Mallorca. I'm speechless."

The police refused to let the former footballer through their cordon to speak to Moat after finally cornering the former Newcastle bouncer in the village of Rothbury. They dismissed Gascoigne's claim that he was a close friend of the accused killer - who later committed suicide.

Described as 'clearly inebriated' by Sky News, Gascoigne told a radio station that he had brought Moat "a can of lager, some chicken, a mobile phone and something to keep warm".

He then later told reporters: "I didn't come here for a publicity stunt. I was sitting in the house with nothing to do and I felt sorry for him. I got in a taxi and went to stay in a B&B.

"All I have to do is walk through the moors shouting, 'Moaty it's Gazza.' Someone has given him drugs and made him like that. I'll speak to him - I am a good friend of his. I've known him for years. I'd like him to talk to me one to one. If he goes to jail, I'll go to jail and visit him a couple of times a month."

"I have brought him a fishing rod. I'm risking my life to make sure he's alright."

Moat shot himself in the early hours of Saturday morning.


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MOATY IT'S GAZZA!

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