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The only things really true in that statement though is the failing schools and the stagnation of "upward mobility" ... the rest is not true at all, i.e., " spread of religiosity and bizarre anti-science rhetoric, the complete and total disregard for workers rights and all the progress done in the economic field since the Industrial Revolution". Workers have rights, the "religiosity" I would dare say is lower than it has ever been in this country (it is more secular than ever), and the schools being dumbed down... well, I'll let you figure out why that is I don't know a single person that is "anti-science" and I know a lot of conservatives... I love how the left likes to paint a certain fringe group as representative of all conservatives (we all know what "anti-science" implies), yet refuse to apply that same method to other certain groups. But enough about that.

The economic upheaval is a global problem, though, and not relegated solely to the States, as you well know.

Good old wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_i ... d_humanism



Secularism has doubled in eighteen years.

Science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_an ... ted_States




I'm not even going to dignify the workers righjts bit with the time it takes to link to data

Australia have managed to do ok from an economic perspective, our economy hasn't really taken the nose dive predicted by many so-called experts when the GFC first hit, in fact presently our economy appears to be at least on par with the US if not a little stronger

Extremely trivial point, I realize, but I'd argue the Cold War started in 1946. I'm only making the claim because I wrote a dreadful paper based on some boring original research I did on the making on the transference of the enemy in the common American mind from Nazi to Communist through the umbrella 'totalitarian' term. We were past the point of no return before the Truman Doctrine, at least in that somewhat vague cultural stream of public opinion.

I miss you. Come back.

@V: I don't think you're pointing to the same anti-science issue that Frig is. The anti-science he is point to is anti-evolution and the whole intelligent design debate. That shit is rather active albeit not widespread. It might be being trumped up in the media perhaps in some leftist conspiracy, but ultimately the fact that it even exists at all is atrocious. Anecdotal yes, but on Thanksgiving my cousin whose family is a bunch of fucking idiots anyways mentioned how in her science class when she took a test, she wrote god for all the answers on the evolution questions, but then wrote it what they wanted her to say underneath. She mentioned questions like how did the universe form and other stuff of that nature. I looked at her coldly and said 'so the answer they wanted you to write was the big bang, right? How does the existence of god contradict that? Couldn't god have caused the big bang?' She just responded back God made everything. It was fucking ignorant.

Thanks for caring. I'll hang around a while yet. Hopefully V sticks around too.

Emperor I've missed you, too. Stick around, buddy. I'll hate to lose you.

You know it's funny you're back because we were just talking about you and bam here you are

On religion; any man that claims to KNOW whether or not a higher cosmic power exists, by whatever name, or how "it all came to be" is fooling himself.
Most thinking people are smart enough to realize that the mysteries of life, death and the cosmic are beyond his realm of our comprehension. We can theorize until the moon turns red, but that is all we can really do... as for evolution: ecolution does not necessarilly negate the idea of god.

Absolutely. The school of epistemology, or theory of knowledge, states the same thing.

Even the most radical of atheists, Richard Dawkins, do not claim that we have the ability to say there is no god. The claim that Dawkins makes, in scientific method terms, is that there is no reason to hypothesize that God exists. Science has the potential to explain everything. Ockham's razor: no reason to hypothesize a god. He may exist, but we don't need to bother with him, because we got it in the bag. Evolution could be god's plan. Yes, but evolution works through natural patterns and systems of genetics and what not. What pissed me off about my cousin is that the brat couldn't recognize that. She took the fundamental position that the variety of species is because god made it that way. What science (in this goofy backasswards context) is pointing to is how did god choose to operate in his manipulation and creation of the world. The snobby brat was being simply anti-scientific, probably something she learned from church and recited because her aunt was agreeing with me albeit still a bitch, and she's too stupid to make such a bold claim on her own, so it's pointing to some underlying vibe of opposition to scientific claims as if science and religion were mutually exclusive that I think is much more prevalent than you would like to admit.

Nation drowning in debt, civil liberties vanishing, impending conflict of some sort with Iran= dumbass leftists bitching about evolution, fags marrying, and illegal immigration.

That sounds about right, Trapt you deserve your own segment on Link tv or MSNBC.

No it isn't. The US has trillions in untapped natural resources.

Privacy is vanishing. Due process of law is long gone.

Obama has been telling Israel they are on their own and can go fuck off for months now.

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I'm not a Christian so I could care less what they hold sacred.

That both parties support.

It was a post relating to the nonsense Trapt was posting about non important stuff in the political dialogue. Read up a little.

It's more fun to respond to straw men, so that's okay.

That's good to hear. And just 5 minutes ago I found out that Santa Clause is real.

I could care less about the state of resources and debt in the US, I care about the current government in Australia taking us back into debt after we had a substantial surplus six years ago

but that can be rectified I suppose it was necessary to avoid being impacted significantly by the GFC

Not in sociological terms, as I've pointed out already- demodernization is a very real thing.

Nah, that's what a relativist or a sceptic might say, but don't attribute this view to the entirety of epistemology. Positivism, for example, would directly contradict this.