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Crappy first game by England. Impressive first half, but seriously awful second. Once again some really terrible substitutions. Downing for Owen? hargreaves for Joe Cole? Sven doesn't understand that just getting one goal, then bringing on a load of defensive players and just hanging on (when we were the better side that should have been pressurising!) just won't cut it for an English team. Paraguay came from absolutely nowhere to become a big threat through a combination of careless distribution and negative tactics.

Still, 3 points, and hopefully Ivory Coast can cheer us al up by beating Argentina tonight.


You funny. Get ready, because Argentina is going to bring the heat. As for the England game, that was not only bad, but boring as well. Paraguay was very close to scoring a goal, and the first goal of the game wasn't even by England, it was an own goal by one of Paraguay's defensive players.


i totally agree with argentina, although i think i've heard Messi isn't playing, let's hope he does! and i agree with rio..the game was aweful, and Paraguay did deserve a tie


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Trinidad and Tobago TIED SWEDEN! This is legendary!!!


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Trinidad and Tobago TIED SWEDEN! This is legendary!!!


hahaha they should've WON, that'd be great. at least that crappy Wilhelmsson didn't do much good, i can't stand the fucker :twisted:


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Sweden - Trinidad & Tobago 0 - 0

What a fucking disgrace...We could as well take the next flight home.....


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Crappy first game by England. Impressive first half, but seriously awful second. Once again some really terrible substitutions. Downing for Owen? hargreaves for Joe Cole? Sven doesn't understand that just getting one goal, then bringing on a load of defensive players and just hanging on (when we were the better side that should have been pressurising!) just won't cut it for an English team. Paraguay came from absolutely nowhere to become a big threat through a combination of careless distribution and negative tactics.

Still, 3 points, and hopefully Ivory Coast can cheer us al up by beating Argentina tonight.


You funny. Get ready, because Argentina is going to bring the heat. As for the England game, that was not only bad, but boring as well. Paraguay was very close to scoring a goal, and the first goal of the game wasn't even by England, it was an own goal by one of Paraguay's defensive players.


i totally agree with argentina, although i think i've heard Messi isn't playing, let's hope he does! and i agree with rio..the game was aweful, and Paraguay did deserve a tie


Are you kidding? Man, Paraguay were pathetic. England deserved to win based on the first half, and on good defending in the second. It was miserable, but that's what you get when you have a manager that learnt his trade in Italian football. The fact is, England will get better when we need to, but sadly Paraguay won't be able to.

Yes, hails to T&T! And hails to the Ivory Coast!


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Germany scored some amazing goals yesterday. And congrats to T&T, they stood up against the good attacking forces of Sweden.


The show won't start until the Brazilians kick off. :D I don't think that the world cups I've seen before had such an obvious favourite. Brazil used to have great offense but bad defense and goalkeepers in their history, now they are the best offensive team by far and also have some of the best defenders and goalkeeper. I've heard some people say that this Brazil has the best squad in the history of the world cups. It is arguable, but it might be true. Time will show. It'll be a pleasure to watch them.


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Kath, I beg to differ about Brazil having a great defence. They have two great 37 year olds (or thereabouts), and a couple of average centre backs.

They are certainly favourites, but they do have a few weaknesses.


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Kath, I beg to differ about Brazil having a great defence. They have two great 37 year olds (or thereabouts), and a couple of average centre backs.

They are certainly favourites, but they do have a few weaknesses.


Ok, but I don't think so. Cafu and Carlos are still great wing backs and Lucio is one of the best centre backs of the world imo, Juan is ok too. And they have Cris and he's a very good centre back also, I'd pick him over Juan.


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Not happy with Engalnds preformance at all. We never looked like scoring, we gave the ball away and do not look like a team capable of winngin the world cup on the basis of that game. Who ever said Paraguay looked like scoring wasn't watching the match i was, they barely troubled our defence even though in the second half they had much of the ball, but that is only because they were poor. Against a better team we would have been in serious trouble. Again England dont seem to be able to finish off a game that is there for the taking.


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Rant about football commentary

It fucking sucks in Britain. I hate it. Basically you have two types of commentary to watch out for- good team commentary and bad team commentary.

Bad team commentary

When an "underdog" team is playing, the commentator will open by pointing out that this is a capable team, and deserve respect instead of being patronised. He will then proceed to patronise them throughout the course of the match. He will never once criticise their performance. If they fuck up he will simply say "Well, that was a brave attempt, they don't want to be beaten here- look how hard they are trying". He will then be astonished when that team does anything right at all. If they make a rudimentary headed clearance, he will behave as if he has just witnessed an act of unimaginable heroism. He will also ignore any negative qualities that team has. Case in point: 89 minutes into T&T's game against Sweden one of their defenders goes down, and is treated for 2 minutes for an injury. Then he gets up and carries on. For any other team that would be criticised as diving and time wasting. For T&T, he's a heroic soldier battling on.

I'm not criticising T&T. They qualfied for a World Cup finals, and as such they deserve not to be patronised, and they deserve to be criticised in exactly the same way as everyone else. Incidentally, this underdog rule does not apply to Australia or the USA. Only poor countries.

Good team commentary

Commentary in matches involving good teams are slavishly sycophantic. If Riquelme or Ronaldinho dribbles round a man, or makes a back heel, the UK commentator will behave as if he has just seen him change into superman and intercept a nuclear bomb. If the good team in question is Argentina this will be followed by a reference to Maradonna. If it's Brazil, probably by a reference to "the Samba".

End rant... What is the commentary like in your country?


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only 2 really crappy commercial channels have the broadcasting permit for the WC so you get things like this:

-" oh, there goes Lampard, or is it Cole..oh it seems to be Downing, oh well all those Brits look alike."

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-" Sweden is ofcourse the underdog in this group"

i mean..what the fuck?!


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Rant about football commentary

It fucking sucks in Britain. I hate it. Basically you have two types of commentary to watch out for- good team commentary and bad team commentary.

Bad team commentary

When an "underdog" team is playing, the commentator will open by pointing out that this is a capable team, and deserve respect instead of being patronised. He will then proceed to patronise them throughout the course of the match. He will never once criticise their performance. If they fuck up he will simply say "Well, that was a brave attempt, they don't want to be beaten here- look how hard they are trying". He will then be astonished when that team does anything right at all. If they make a rudimentary headed clearance, he will behave as if he has just witnessed an act of unimaginable heroism. He will also ignore any negative qualities that team has. Case in point: 89 minutes into T&T's game against Sweden one of their defenders goes down, and is treated for 2 minutes for an injury. Then he gets up and carries on. For any other team that would be criticised as diving and time wasting. For T&T, he's a heroic soldier battling on.

I'm not criticising T&T. They qualfied for a World Cup finals, and as such they deserve not to be patronised, and they deserve to be criticised in exactly the same way as everyone else. Incidentally, this underdog rule does not apply to Australia or the USA. Only poor countries.

Good team commentary

Commentary in matches involving good teams are slavishly sycophantic. If Riquelme or Ronaldinho dribbles round a man, or makes a back heel, the UK commentator will behave as if he has just seen him change into superman and intercept a nuclear bomb. If the good team in question is Argentina this will be followed by a reference to Maradonna. If it's Brazil, probably by a reference to "the Samba".

End rant... What is the commentary like in your country?


I've been watching the games on Univision 23 (A local spanish channel), and the commentators are always biased to whatever country they are from. For example, today's commentary was two mexicans, and of course, the Mexicans would prefer Ivory Coast to beat Argentina, so they kept saying how spectacular Ivory Coast's moves were and how close they came to greatness (Despite a crappy performance from the Ivory Coast, and a horrible performance from Argentina the second half).


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Fingon wrote:
only 2 really crappy commercial channels have the broadcasting permit for the WC so you get things like this:

-" oh, there goes Lampard, or is it Cole..oh it seems to be Downing, oh well all those Brits look alike."

or
-" Sweden is ofcourse the underdog in this group"

i mean..what the fuck?!


Oh, and about Aimar, they put him in the game during the last 5 minutes. I didn't even know he made the selection.


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We also have bias, but one good thing is they are not afraid to say England sucked if they did.


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Our sports media isn't afraid of trowing bags of shit at the national team, because we aren't in Germany right now, which is a disgrace.

Other than that it's total biased bullshit. Our speakers also suck balls, but I can say its similar to what other people have said. They would all sleep with Ronaldinho if they could and smaller teams are always brave warriors. Pfft!


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total BS here too. they're too scared to openly criticize scolari or te players on tv, arguing that it's important to keep the team's spirits up, AS IF THE TEAM FUCKING CARED WHAT THE FANS AND THE MEDIA THINK.

as for England's game, well, nice work in the first half, very bad second half. the Paraguay strikers were pretty bad, some of their one-timer shots looked more like they were trying to clear the ball...

also, Brazil has an excellent defense. Cafu and Roberto Carlos are still world class and are VERY experienced, plus in the middle Lucio, Cris, Juan and Luisão (who plays in Benfica :P) are all pretty damn good.

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Well, after the game against T&T the commentator asked the other commentator if "is this a fiasco?" After a few seconds he said something like "well, maybe it is, but it's not over yet...". I think most of my countrymen agree when I say that this is the biggest disaster in swedish football since we got kicked out by Costa Rica in 1990. I mean, if England played 0-0 against T&T, the commentators would want Eriksson's head on a fucking plate.


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Well, after the game against T&T the commentator asked the other commentator if "is this a fiasco?" After a few seconds he said something like "well, maybe it is, but it's not over yet...". I think most of my countrymen agree when I say that this is the biggest disaster in swedish football since we got kicked out by Costa Rica in 1990. I mean, if England played 0-0 against T&T, the commentators would want Eriksson's head on a fucking plate.


Totally. People already do! Everyone here is really sick of Sven just taking off strikers and playing defensively throughout the second half. It doesn't fit with the English style of football, and we don't have the right players to do it effectively. I'm kind of embarrassed about the performance against Paraguay.

Just wanting you guys to know the English don't want to see boring football, however our teams may play :wink: :P :oops:


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Argentine won! w00T! Ivory Coast did play fairly, i do hope they'll play good throughout the tournament and my stunt against England :D


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