Astaroth wrote:
Here's a question for you, Seinfeld:
If we consider homosexuality to be a violation of both human nature and the way God made us, then what about gay animals and animals in strickly gay relationships? Are those animals immoral and sinful too? And will God be angry with them because they don't behave like they were supposed to?
I often wonder the same thing about animals, actually. Which is certainly a strong suggestion that homosexuality can't be helped.
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If we forget about child molestation, rape and incest for a moment; How can sex and mastubation be immoral? What right do ppl have to accuse other ppl of being immoral when they are not harming anyone? Sure thing, BDSM and double anal fisting can hurt (especielly with barbwire around the fists), but it's their own choice.
How this can even be a question about morality in the first place is beyond me. But then again, I'm not religious, I don't consult any holy book to give me answers that I can turn against other ppl, and I hate puritanical behaviour.
Well, again, when you are religious, you're doing things not only for yourself and other people. But also for God. Lust is considered one of the seven deadly sins, which is what masturbation can fall under. It doesn't physically hurt people, but it can mess up your perception of whomever you, ahem, "do that" over. Which could cause some problems with how you relate to them. Plus, it's taking what's supposed to be a sacred and beautiful gift (sex) and turning it into a self-centered act of pleasure. I know most of the people here are not religious (and I don't mean that disrespectfully, by the way), so you might have a harder time understanding why issues like masturbation and abortion would be considered immoral. But when you factor God into these issues, and how Jesus explicitly described right and wrong, you find yourself spending a lot of time pondering where they could in fact be wrong. Both from a religious and humanistic standpoint.
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Anywho, i don't mind when gay ppl adopt children, but I would mind if they were given the tools to reproduce by means of science - this is of course mostly a question for the lesbian couples, maybe insemination isn't the worst thing, but the day we can take dna from one gay woman and fertilize another gay woman that would be bad... real bad for the human race. Of course, there are far worse ppl we could make pregnant by means of science, like natural borned handicapped ppl, ppl with down syndrome etc etc.
Once saw a woman on tv who was drooling, couldn't speak only make stupid noices, and she couldn't move her wheelchair around herself - her husband had to help her around 24/7. Anyway, she had given birth to two children (they were luckely born healthy, though they looked a bit retarded) - fucking disguting. I remember my parents thought her husband was a real cool guy because he "obviously" only cared about her inner being - how romantic! - but in my opinion he was a fucking desgusting loser... yuak!! I almost vomited when I saw that couple on tv. To allow such ppl to become pregnant and raise children.. that's immoral.
Let's not forget transex. Which is IMO one of the worst things you could possibly do to your body.