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What the fuck? We're on the top of the foodchain, why the hell shouldn't we eat animals? They taste awesome!

Zad, you seemed to ignore the majority of the comments I made by only addressing things that you could defend. I'm not here to change your mind, I'm here to provide onlookers with a glimpse of how organizations like this do business, and it is business, not charity. Just because one solicits donations does not make them any less a business. That is like calling Al Gore a charitible man when he has done nothing but speak what he thinks is the truth and made insane amounts of profit doing so.

I really don't see the point of this thread any longer, not that that will exclude me from participation from here on out, but Both sides have been presented and no one will change their mind, but do consider the fact that PETA doesn't have enough support to change anything and they never will, so what is their deal? This is all adding up to a profitable business model more than anything. Like they wanted to start a church but that market was a little saturated and since no one was doing the extremist animal movement thing, they figured its a good way to make bank.

I am not suggesting all people that try to do "good" do so for financial gain, but you must be willing to admit that many are and when a group has virtually no power, never will and continues to exist providing no actual reason for existence (maybe except for throwing dead animals in dumpsters, which PETA's workers were convicted of here in The Seven Cities, where I live, but I digress)

The only thing they seem to spend their millions on is advertising, illegal activities or activities the vast majority of their supporters would abhore. Its like a church that brings in 10,000 a month and the only thing you see the money sepnt on his the reverends hookers, billboards and a new churcfh every decade being built. I don't mean the ones that spend money on homeless programs, food for the poor, ect. I have no beef with those kind of people so long as they are making equal charitible contributions as much as they are avoiding taxes. They should pay taxes on any money they don't spend on charity work.

I'm getting a little off topic, but you have to draw a parallel here somewhere because could you imagine a muslim organization that used the same tactics as PETA? they would all be at guantanimo right now. Just think about it. They couldn't get away with picketing wal-marts around the country for selling womens apparell and threating violence for non-compliance.

You make a great point Zad that little changes in America whether or not it is good for us. We don't want it because no one is telling us we should want it, and when they do it comes in the form of such extremism it will surely be rejected by the overwhelming moderate majority of this country.

This is the reason why we need to be extinct, and leave other animals in peace. I hope a nuclear war starts soon and the human race gets wiped out, there is no hope for us starting to behave like "normal" animals we are just way too insensitive.

I've been thinking about volunteering for an animal shelter for a while now. That, or donating to a worthy charity, like http://www.spca.com/, or a similar society that actually helps animals instead of running around saying stupid stuff and being general fuckasses (lookin' at you, PETA).

I volunteer at a no-kill animal shelter, "socializing felines" and "strolling with canines". Animals at shelters are needy, ie: fun to spend time with for a few hours but couldn't imagine having them hang all over you all the time.
PETA used that money to buy a portion of KFC to change their policies from within. PETA got Vick's Nike deal stripped away. PETA has many rewards programs for people willing to report crimes against animals to the police. PETA plants undercover employees in companies all across the country which could be engaged in cruel practices. All this costs money. Advertising is how messages are spread in our society. Illegal activities are what brought about the Civil War, Civil Rights movement and probably countless other revolutionary moments in history. The last part I didn't understand.

I was implying black people are primates you turds.

Also, I see black people all the time here, noodles. Must be a sign of social degeneration. What I've never seen with my own two eyes is a Mexican.

Oh, I got that you were concerned about PETA's similiarities to businesses, but I don't see what's so terrible about this. Look at the picture Daniele posted - that's what they're working to prevent, ultimately, and who's to say their campaign won't work given time? People complain a lot about PETA, but the substance of those complaints? They make a nuisance of themselves, basically. They get upfront, in people's faces, and make it impossible to ignore them, and that's why people hate PETA.

Man, if I could make a vast amount of money, say, giving talks against nuclear power plants, I'd be ecstatic. You have to credit a lot of the current public visibility of global warming to Al Gore, the fact that he made money off of it is ultimately not a reason to ignore the message. I'm sure he puts a ot of it back in, anyways.

I'm not going to start another 'AMERICA! The violent! The indifferent!' topic, but hopefully this is what Obama will help solve. Have a little hope, y'all. And stop worrying about how much you're going to be taxed.

Oh, shut up, already.
Worry about your own damn country. I hear it is well below the U.S. in terms of human development. Maybe more taxes is the answer, wot guvnor *click* *click*? And get a decent dental program, I mean christ...
Obama is a joke. The ONLY reason he made it this far is because our idiotic press is enamored with the idea of a (half) black man becoming prez. Any white man that carries the same baggage would have been culled long ago.
This country doesn't need photogetically delivered empty slogans, it needs a good cleansing.

Hey, V. As usual, you've ignored the argument at hand to focus on your own point of interest - attacking anyone who comes close to desecrating the flag. I was responding to Adveser's criticism of his own country a little further above. And English bad teeth jokes are older than you are, ffs.

A good cleansing, huh? Cleansing of what exactly?

Whatever yoy say, guv. As usal, Zad, you are full of self-righteous bullshit.
Like I said, stop worrying so much about the U.S., and start worrying about the downward spiral of your own country.

A good cleansing of what, you ask?
Figure it out.

Blacks? Jews? Muslims? Emos? Foreigners? Dentists? Who knows with you?

Anyways, we're actually talking about animal rights in this topic V, not how my application of Exodus lyrics causes rage-filled diatribes from former writers at the site. [/self-righteous bullshit]

Typical Zad... assuming I meant some so-called minority group, and getting high on his own sense of self-satisfaction.
Actually, I meant cleansed of traitorous politicians that put greed and corporate / special interests above the betterment of the country on their list of priorities.
As for your snide remarks regarding "desecrating the flag", if you had been paying attention, you'd know that I am among the most critical of the U.S. government; no, what I hate above all else is hypocrisy.
You say you support the violence and terrorist activities of groups like PETA; do you also support the same tactics if they are employed by right-wing groups? How about those Russian Skinheads? Or more to the point; pro-lifers blowing up abortion clinics and harrassing women going in for abortions? You think that is revolutionary, as well?

Oh and can the bullshit about "we're actually talking about animal rights in this topic "... more hypocrisy: YOU diverted the topic with:




But, yes, by all means, let's talk about PETA...

'AMERICA! The violent! The indifferent!'

OH SAY CAN YOU FUCKIN SEE



What a song.

Anyways, fuck the animals. The day I hear one put forth a valid argument as to why they shouldn't be abused I'll listen, but then proceed to make said animal wear lipstick. And laugh.

1. Where did I say that I supported PETA's terrorist tactics? WHERE? I didn't.
2. WHAT terrorist tactics does PETA use?
3. Adveser bought up his pessimism, I responded hinting that Americans often feel depressed about change. He responded agreeing, I responded saying, 'let's not start talking about America'. So I was doing my damnest not to turn it into what you've made it become, ACTUALLY.
4. Self-satisfaction? You galloping moron.

:rolleyes:



PETA supports illegal activities such as arson, bombings, and harrassment, you support PETA; it is simple logic.





Oh, please...



Riiiight... I reckon your concern for others' is merely to a means to buoy your own sense of self-righteousness; you don't give one fuck about Americans; and how do you know we are often "depressed"? Bullshit. And it is not as if you don't have a track record of looking down your nose at the U.S., is it?

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Now, that's just not nice.
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So...PETA is now chastising the US military: article. Simply trying to get the army to shift away from using animals to, equivalent in all ways, machines.

Edit:So because you support a group; you have to support everything they do or have ever done therefore anyone who supports America supports torture, slavery, and murder on a mass scale through unwarranted wars and two atomic bombs and Christians support all of the atrocities perpetrated by the Church that we all know by heart.

Learn to quote. I've never actually said that I support, as in give money to, PETA. I've been defending them from all the PETA KILLS BABIES nonsense. Why am I supporting my self-righteousness by 'pretending' that I care... I'm not even sure what you're on about. And kindly provide proof of my disdain for America, I think you're mistaking me for Stefan.

Ooh, the terrorist scum.

Learn to quote... ahhh, witty. I guess practically living on an internet forum would make you an expert, wouldn't it?
Since you are such a stickler for quotes verbatim, who said PETA KILLS BABIES?

Abortion is fine and dandy, but eating meat is evil...? sure thing, champ.
And, no I am not some pro-life lemming, but I know that there are too many shades of grey in life to define moral absolutes.

Your disdain is well masked behind "care", and don't insult my intelligence by asking to provide "proof", you've made snide drive-by remarks more than a few times over the years... and I really don't give a damn anyways, The U.S. is fucked up maybe beyond repair, that's not the point. The point is hypocrisy. Perfect example:
When faffel made the comment about blacks, you stated something to the effect that: I hope you are joking, but, you make blanket statements about Americans. Hypocrisy.
I've seen this from you time and time again, and others have as well, I am sure.

I've wasted more than enough time on this, so...

So, if I support Hitler because he built Germany back up, that is alright?
And you can say the same about most every country, especially European countries; slavery, war and destruction are not American monopolies.