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Kathaarian · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 5:54 pm

Satan rvles!

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:16 pm

Zad wrote:

/\ /\ I thought you were a Christian? That's pure LaVey, that is. Agreed, though.

I thought so too. Anyway, it's also very Ayn Rand.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:26 pm

Fuck Objectivism!

Read this... and this (landing on the moon was nothing but Kennedy cock-waving) and this and this. Conservatism under a different name.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:49 pm

First, that wasn't the point (to start a political discussion). A point or statement stands on its own merits. So however you classify the statements of Jaden, as something similar to Lavey, Rand, or someone else, you can decide what they mean to you.

Second, I have a degree in Natural Resources, currently work in the field, and am pretty well aware of what's going on with the environment and environmentalism (which generally is more of a political assualt on human rights than an actual concern for preserving the environment)

Third, tell that ("landing on the moon was nothing but Kennedy cock-waving") to the men and women who designed, built and flew the Apollo rockets.

Fourth, keep in mind that Ayn Rand died in 1982 and at this point (over 20 years later) I don't necessarily think everything printed on the Ayn Rand Institute's site is necessarily indicative of how she would feel were she alive today.

-Tyrion

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:58 pm

Oh please, for the 800th fucking time, capitalism does not equal callous greed. And any reasonably intelligent person can see that "raping the planet" is hardly in anyone's (or anything's) best interests. :roll:

If you're going to continue to spit out the capitalism is greed nonsense, then you might as well stop now, because it only shows how little you know about Rand's philosophy. If you want to know about it, pick up one of her books instead of reading the stuff that's on that site, because a good portion of it is little more than abuse of her name.

EDIT -

And since it's since disappeared, this is what I was replying to:

Quote:

Sure, I'm just reacting to what you said. I really can't stand it - it's basic callous capitalist greed with a nod to human rights. Just because mankind is the dominant force on the planet, it gives them the right to rape the planet completely? Ann Coulter said something very similar - editing this soon, sorry! -Zad

-Tyrion

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:02 pm

Sure, I'm just reacting to what you said. I really can't stand it - it's basic callous capitalist greed with a nod to human rights. Just because mankind is the dominant force on the planet, it gives them the right to rape the planet completely? Ann Coulter said something very similar, and she's about as Rightist as you get without falling into fascism.

I'm not saying that animal rights protestors are 100% right (far from it). BUT in theory, they are absolutely right. In practise, wrong - animals are not worth more than humans, but we should care more than we are for them, for the rainforests, for everything. It's all being ignored in the face of temporary profits - which is capitalism at it's worst.

Yes, I'd be glad to - in terms of a modern-day Tower of Babel, if you'll forgive the Biblical analogy, that was the point, to beat the Russians. An engineering marvel, sure, but ultimately, when the world is in the state it's in, money should not be going towards space exploration.

I'm not attacking the dear gel herself, just her idealogy, and those who interpret it.

Edit:

Quote:

Oh please, for the 800th fucking time, capitalism does not equal callous greed. And any reasonably intelligent person can see that "raping the planet" is hardly in anyone's (or anything's) best interests.

If you're going to continue to spit out the capitalism is greed nonsense, then you might as well stop now, because it only shows how little you know about Rand's philosophy.

If things continue as they are, the world is fucked. All objectivism does is provide a bit of cover for the greater capitalist ideal - money. As much as is possible, here and now. And that is wrong, in my view.

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:12 pm

http://www.atlasshrugged.tv/speech.htm

So since space exploration is out, what would you suggest I spend my money on?

-Tyrion

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:21 pm

That extract was interesting.
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
Ie, the individual is key, fuck everyone else. Which is the basic tenet of Conservatism. There is more to humanity than being enslaved to the coin, however you try and dress it up.

Some more reading for y'all:

Israel should forget the peace process...

The only way to stop terrorism is mass murder...

Some Fascist wrote:

The choice today is mass death in the United States or mass death in the terrorist nations.

It's OK to nuke the darkies...

Some Fascist wrote:

To win this war, we must not let an immoral concern with "innocents" weaken our resolve. We must have the profound moral conviction that we have the right to exist. We have the right to destroy those who initiate force to deprive us of our rights and lives. With full moral certainty we must urge our government to defend our lives, even if that requires nuclear weapons and hundreds of thousands of deaths in terrorist countries.

And I don't use 'fascist' lightly, this is fucking SICK.

This just made my head explode. So because Bill Clinton can afford treatment, but poor people can't and have to wait abroad, their whole system is wrong? Stupid. What do the poor Americans do, then?

Is it true than Rand believed killing civilians in war is justified?

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:50 pm

Oh for fuck's sake, it's incredible how you can search for and read all that, figure out how to link it in your post even, and yet apparently not notice what I said before. Let me remind you:

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Fourth, keep in mind that Ayn Rand died in 1982 and at this point (over 20 years later) I don't necessarily think everything printed on the Ayn Rand Institute's site is necessarily indicative of how she would feel were she alive today.

Quote:

If you want to know about it, pick up one of her books instead of reading the stuff that's on that site, because a good portion of it is little more than abuse of her name.

Now, check the authors and publishing dates of the articles you've linked, and think about what I said.

When you actually have something intelligent to contribute, I'd love to see it. I'm not going to waste my time analyzing and discussing these articles with you (or for you :roll: ) until you actually demonstrate some level of understanding and knowledge about Rand's philosophy (as opposed to the cut and paste job you're doing at the moment, most is not the words of Rand, along with interpretations apparently made with the sole purpose of reaffirming your already held beliefs).

-Tyrion

Anonymous · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:53 pm

Zad wrote:

/\ /\ I thought you were a Christian? That's pure LaVey, that is. Agreed, though.

Nah he doesn't believe in god anymore. He's a teenage atheist rebel.

Orion · **Posted:** Sun Jul 16, 2006 9:07 pm

Jaden wrote:

Well it's more than just chemical reactions. Anyway, the science of it all doesn't undercut anything.

I often ask religious people: If God gave beauty to humans, who gave beauty to God?

They reply "God."

If God could give beauty to God, why could humans not have given beauty to humans.

The response might be "because we're not God," but that's a statement I disagree with.

What does it take to be a God? Immortality? Our ideas are immortal, and those are what are relevant for shaping us, so we got that. And the question of our creation can be explained with evolution. So that leaves notions such as beauty and morality. But these are ideas that we have created. People have such a matrix-mindset to assume that humans could not have created these things. We did, and it doesn't make them any less real.

Beauty does not exist outside of us as its own entity. When you look at a sunset and you think it's beautiful, it is you, the human, who makes it so. But beautiful it remains.

Furthermore, I prefer no God. Imagine yourself looking at a beautiful woman (or man). Beautiful, let's say, on all levels. With God, you're just seeing God's beauty reflected on that person, but without, that beauty is entirely that person's own. Which is better I think.

Anyway, I'm hungover as shit and I have to work soon. Too much to say, too little time and will power.

Where do the ideals of beauty and morality come from? If we are just further evolved animals then aren't our lives just a quest for survival and the reproduction of our offspring? Clearly, from your statements above, you believe there is more to life then this.

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:58 am

Tyrion wrote:

Oh for fuck's sake, it's incredible how you can search for and read all that, figure out how to link it in your post even, and yet apparently not notice what I said before. Let me remind you:

Quote:

Fourth, keep in mind that Ayn Rand died in 1982 and at this point (over 20 years later) I don't necessarily think everything printed on the Ayn Rand Institute's site is necessarily indicative of how she would feel were she alive today.

Quote:

If you want to know about it, pick up one of her books instead of reading the stuff that's on that site, because a good portion of it is little more than abuse of her name.

Now, check the authors and publishing dates of the articles you've linked, and think about what I said.

When you actually have something intelligent to contribute, I'd love to see it. I'm not going to waste my time analyzing and discussing these articles with you (or for you :roll: ) until you actually demonstrate some level of understanding and knowledge about Rand's philosophy (as opposed to the cut and paste job you're doing at the moment, most is not the words of Rand, along with interpretations apparently made with the sole purpose of reaffirming your already held beliefs).

-Tyrion

You completely ignored the central point I made: Objectivism replaces a deity with money. Atheism lives without a deity. You're just as enslaved...

And noting that you haven't made a single defence of any of the points made (especially the killing civilians one) I'll have to assume it's all true. Hence: fuck Objectivism.

Rhys · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:38 am

Jaden wrote:

Well it's more than just chemical reactions. Anyway, the science of it all doesn't undercut anything.

I often ask religious people: If God gave beauty to humans, who gave beauty to God?

They reply "God."

If God could give beauty to God, why could humans not have given beauty to humans.

The response might be "because we're not God," but that's a statement I disagree with.

What does it take to be a God? Immortality? Our ideas are immortal, and those are what are relevant for shaping us, so we got that. And the question of our creation can be explained with evolution. So that leaves notions such as beauty and morality. But these are ideas that we have created. People have such a matrix-mindset to assume that humans could not have created these things. We did, and it doesn't make them any less real.

Beauty does not exist outside of us as its own entity. When you look at a sunset and you think it's beautiful, it is you, the human, who makes it so. But beautiful it remains.

Furthermore, I prefer no God. Imagine yourself looking at a beautiful woman (or man). Beautiful, let's say, on all levels. With God, you're just seeing God's beauty reflected on that person, but without, that beauty is entirely that person's own. Which is better I think.

Anyway, I'm hungover as shit and I have to work soon. Too much to say, too little time and will power.

What a post! Basically i feel the same, though i could never expres it as well as Jaden has!

leee · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:59 pm

Poor people in the US can still get help in County Hospitals and Health Clinics and stuff.

Although I agree with you, the US health care system is fucked. It won't chnage though because anything remotely socialist sounding in the US is automatically rejected.

I never though much about it until I went to other countries and so how much easier things were there. Yeah yeah we have the best Doctors etc.....but still, we need national health care like almost every other modern nation in the world.

Radagast · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:22 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Jaden wrote:

Well it's more than just chemical reactions. Anyway, the science of it all doesn't undercut anything.

I often ask religious people: If God gave beauty to humans, who gave beauty to God?

They reply "God."

If God could give beauty to God, why could humans not have given beauty to humans.

The response might be "because we're not God," but that's a statement I disagree with.

What does it take to be a God? Immortality? Our ideas are immortal, and those are what are relevant for shaping us, so we got that. And the question of our creation can be explained with evolution. So that leaves notions such as beauty and morality. But these are ideas that we have created. People have such a matrix-mindset to assume that humans could not have created these things. We did, and it doesn't make them any less real.

Beauty does not exist outside of us as its own entity. When you look at a sunset and you think it's beautiful, it is you, the human, who makes it so. But beautiful it remains.

Furthermore, I prefer no God. Imagine yourself looking at a beautiful woman (or man). Beautiful, let's say, on all levels. With God, you're just seeing God's beauty reflected on that person, but without, that beauty is entirely that person's own. Which is better I think.

Anyway, I'm hungover as shit and I have to work soon. Too much to say, too little time and will power.

What a post! Basically i feel the same, though i could never expres it as well as Jaden has!

Man if you guys haven't listened to The Black Halo yet, go do it now. :lol:

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:05 pm

We're all going to fucking die, eat the fucking animals.

And vegetarians are fucking gay. Yeah, a cow wasn't put here for the sole purpose of eating, not at all. It's such an intelligent, productive animal. :roll:

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:47 pm

Even the vegetarians are kind of ok, but vegans! :evil: I fucking despise vegans. They're the scum of this earth. I hope they all choke to death in cow shit that they adore so much, getting raped by a horse is also another good way to die for them. Fucking hippies.

lol jk, they're fags tho

Goat · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:50 pm

Why so much hatred for vegetarians from people? I know Kathy's joking, but there are people that feel like that. At the end of the day, it's up to them if they don't want to eat meat. Never did the Japanese any harm!

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:54 pm

Zad wrote:

Why so much hatred for vegetarians from people? I know Kathy's joking, but there are people that feel like that. At the end of the day, it's up to them if they don't want to eat meat. Never did the Japanese any harm!

I don't hate the sane ones, I hate the douchebags that go into a restaraunt, find someone enjoying a steak, and then proceed to make a dissertation as to why that person is a horrible person for eating meat. Get a life, you know?

Tlaloc · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:57 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

Zad wrote:

Why so much hatred for vegetarians from people? I know Kathy's joking, but there are people that feel like that. At the end of the day, it's up to them if they don't want to eat meat. Never did the Japanese any harm!

I don't hate the sane ones, I hate the douchebags that go into a restaraunt, find someone enjoying a steak, and then proceed to make a dissertation as to why that person is a horrible person for eating meat. Get a life, you know?

If someone did that to me I'd punch them in the face.

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