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Hit or miss: new Iraq Plan
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:04 pm 
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Zad wrote:
Astaroth wrote:
Misha wrote:
Heraclitus said "panta rhei": everything streams, but if you'd ask me, everything streams is fucking circles, especially history. I have yet to find something that doesn't occur periodically, even the devellopment of music seems subject. And now again some crusades by Bush on Muslims, why can't the sick fuck just leave people alone and mind his own business?


i agree... history doesn't teach ppl anything. But it's always easy to be wise after events.

anyway.. wheither or not this new plan is good i don't know. But I think it's better than fleeing; it would be cowardly to start a war to fix a country (despite the fact that had nothing to do with it in the first place, the real motifs are somewhat still blurry) only to leave it behind in ruins and chaos just because it didn't went as planned.
For the first time i probably should give a bit credit to Bush for sticking to his guns rather ran fleeing with the tail between his legs just because the citizens of USA are quite unpleased with him... I mean, he knew it probably would cost him his last bit of popularity and his last chance of being re-elected. However, his speech wasn't that convincing and he tried hard with the same ol' strategy: " I'll just mention terrorists and 11/9, and they'll believe me!", while the iraqis was of less importance.. i wonder if i truly believes he's fighting terrorism or if it's just a way of gaining support.. Sure, he's probably defeating some terrorists, but it seems as if they use the term about every arab who doesn't agree with them in Iraq. But it doesn't matter that much, cuz the "war on terror" itself in Iraq doesn't help the problem it only makes things worse, imo. But still, that's not the issue now, the issue now is wheither to help the Iraqis and stabilize their country, or withdraw and leave them to their own fate, which i don't think they are ready to yet.


Course, he can't be re-elected, having served his two terms, so he probably simply doesn't give a toss any more...


Yes and no. On one hand he will be relieved that this mess will be passed on to someone else. Yet on the other his legacy will forever be regarded with scorn and hatred. He seems to have started his presidency with the agenda of securing his place in history. Well, he's done it. Just not the way he intended.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:24 pm 
Zad wrote:
Course, he can't be re-elected, having served his two terms, so he probably simply doesn't give a toss any more...


w00ps.. yeah.. but still


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:43 am 
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Zad wrote:
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what else was occuring through this time period that brought even a fraction of the ideas that returned from the crusades. i am only speaking of the common man. In order for a movement such as luther's to have any groudn to spread there needs to be a population fed up with the current system, and you don't know its a bad system u till there is something of contrast. When the church sys
' there is nothing good in this life" then you are told by some guy in your village its not true and that there are some very nice things in the east, you no longer accept that which the church is saying.
As such you do things you might not have. little things. like accepting the observations of a "heretic" when he says the sun is the center of the universe.

Baby steps set things in motion.

my point i have been trying to make is that nothing in history is completely bad. There are always good things.


I'm not convinced that soldiers returning from the Crusades did bring that much with them. Saying that seeds laid then eventually led to, say, the French revolution is ridiculous!

And all I'm saying is trying to make out that the Crusades had their good points is like saying Ted Bundy once bought someone a drink.


those fruity drinks at bars can be quite expensive so don't demean his charity.


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