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Most gay people I know (including a few friends) do not come off as promiscuous. But I do think promiscuous people can be found in greater proportions among gay people than straight people.

But here's another behaviour I have noticed that I is more common among openly gay people than straight people: Agressiveness and lack of fear. I dont mean agressivenes as in violence, but agressiveness as in a manner to impose his thoughts and even some times arrogant behavior.

You see, we're talking about people who have overcome the biggest taboo ever : saying to the world "I AM GAY". This person is now free of the worst judgement of all. The person has now very little to lose. No fear of people judging his character. This person has already told "fuck the rules" to the world.

At work, I have seen many gay men with no ethics at all, running people over to get places, imposing their point even if they have to use harsh language and very resistant to take other people's opinions.

Sure, this kind of beavior does happen with straight people too, I'm just saying it happens in greater proportions among gay people than between straight people.

Well, there is this girl who went to my school and dated another gril for 6 months until she decided to break up because she wasn't a lesbian.

lol

one can have homosexual intercourse and not define himself as a homosexual... You might very well be attracted to one guy and 100.000 girls...

Not at all. Judgments like that come about because those particular people are just in-your-face about it. It's like a straight girl who wears teeny, tiny shirts and skirts with her tits and ass falling out everywhere, and always talks about how she got sooooo drunk and made out with sooooo many guys last night. Just because she's a flaming slut doesn't mean all straight girls are, but if that's the only straight girl you've ever met, that's the representation you're going to see. The dudes who get soooo drunk and make out with soooo many guys are obviously going to be more visible than the ones who just go home to their long-term partner and keep their personal lives out of their public lives, so they're the ones you associate with what being gay means. There are just as many rampant sluts in the gay and lesbian communities as in the straight community. Your sexuality has nothing to do with your personality; if you're an asshole, you're going to be an asshole no matter what.

No, that's a faggot.

Your sexuality does not drive ALL aspects of your personality. But it DOES affect certain aspects of your behaviour. Thats a fact. Thats why men and women see sex at different angles. Evolution talking here. Men and woman are turned on in different ways. You know how men are easily ready to begin sexual activities with a good looking female, doesnt matter how well he knows her.

And if you join two males that like men, its only logical to think sex can happen more easily. Add to that all the implications of gay culture, the happy and friendly environment, and all that stuff.

Again, I'm not saying straight people cannot be promiscuous. All I'm saying is, taking hypothetical numbers, that 30% of straight people are promiscuous, and 50% of gay people (well, at least males) are promiscuous. (forget the numbers, they're there just to make an example )

Of course not. I'm not forcing everybody to think about masturbation the same way I do. This is just how I personally perceive it (hey, Zad wanted my opinion after all ), based on my own religious beliefs. But I know that I may not be completely correct, and that not everybody shares my beliefs.



It's true that different religions have different views of masturbation. A lot of meditative religions see it as perfectly natural and healthy. In fact, believe it or not, even Christian religions (including Catholicism) are starting to question whether or not it's really wrong - since it's not only natural but also physically healthy sometimes. Nevertheless, there are also religions like Mormonism that are staunchly against it. I don't think masturbation's even close to being the worst thing you could possibly do (and I think everybody's done it at some point in his/her life), but it still ultimately seems more wrong than right to me.



I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant, "whomever you're thinking about when you masturbate." Once you've masturbated over a girl, it's hard to really think of her the same way the next time you see her (okay, this discussion's getting waaaaay too private).



True, but masturbation is technically that way by default. Sex with another individual can be a hedonistic act, but it isn't always.
And if it is, then it's much worse than masturbation for obvious reasons.



Bare in mind, though, that as a Christian I do believe Jesus is the son of God (a belief that's a lot deeper and more complex than it sounds). So, naturally, I believe his teachings also reflected those of God. I'm unsure of some of his teachings, I'll admit, but I'm always trying my best to figure them out from both a spiritual and human perspective.

Oh, please. That's riddled with so many logical fallacies I don't even know where to begin.

All right. First let's examine a few aspects of gay sexuality. First, I assume you're aware that not all (straight) men find the same kind of woman desirable. I know guys who love stick-thin model types and guys who get all hot 'n bothered over ultra-curvy chicks, and everything in between. A guy who's a chubby chaser isn't going to go after Kate Moss, now is he? Well, it's the same thing with gay men. There are dudes who love twinks (lean, put-together kinda femmy types), dudes who love bears (fat hairy types), dudes who love average-looking dudes...and so on. All of that is purely physical, too, like your hypothetical heterosexual panting dogs, so personality doesn't enter into it.

Furthermore, if you didn't know any of what I just mentioned, you obviously know nothing of "gay culture" so forget whatever Village People disco ball Liza Minnelli impersonator image you had.

Now, I know this might come as a shock to you, but women are just as slut-tastic as men. I know just as many promiscuous women as I do men, and just as many who are prudes. Frankly, what you're talking about is the whole "stud" mentality that gets drilled into boys as part of what it is to "be a man" (for more information, see the unbelievably off-topic discussion in the Piercings thread). It's not that men are hornier, it's that they're taught to express it while women are taught to repress it, so you end up with the horny guy, virgin/whore dichotomy stereotypes, none of which are at all valid.

So, just to reiterate...gay people have sex just as much as straight people, and for the exact same reasons. Gay people also have just as high an incidence of STDs as straight people, and for the exact same reasons (because no matter your orientation, some people are just too damn stupid to use condoms).

Just the word faggot makes me want to bitchslap you!

It'll be very bad here. Bullying is a serious problem. children and youths got no respect for anything or anyone. They judge the individual by his surroundings and not by the person himself

I dont know why you're talking about preferences regarding looks. Fat, tall, slim... so what? Of course everybody has their preferences regarding appearence. All I'm saying is a man's brain treats sex differently than a woman's brain. But of course there are exceptions. Of course there are women who think sleeping with a guy in the first date just because he's so hot is great. Take a look at porn, for example. Ask porn producers to give you a gender distribution of their consumers. I bet its like 70% men, 30% women.
If you think women are turned on EXACTLY the same way as men... then it's end of discussion right here.



You assume too much. I mentioned the term "gay culture" and you already thought I was filled with stereotypes. NO, I'm not talking about queers that scream loud everytime they hear "Its raining men". I knew lots of gay men in my life, my cousin is gay. None of them act like Nathan Lane in "The Birdcage". Gay culture is their way of life, the places they go to, the rules (or lack of) they follow. Gay nightclubs, etc.



Again, you assume I'm filled with stereotypes. I didnt say anything about "stud mentality". I never said anything about these jackasses who think they're so cool because they pick up 20 girls in one night just to tell his friends. All I'm saying is that the average Joe is willing to start sexual intercouse easier then the average Mary. If you doubt it, take a really hot girl in the park, and ask her to start flerting with single guys and after a few minutes inviting them to sex. See how many times the guy will say Yes. Now do the same thing with a handsome man, asking girls to have sex with him after just a few minutes of chit-chat. See who has higher success ratio, the hot guy or the hot girl. I dont care if things are taught by culture or they are heritage from thousands of years of male/female interaction, but thats what happens. Again, it's not like the handsome men will never score. Of course he will. I'm talking PERCENTAGE here, see?



Studies were made here that showed that the average gay male has more sex than the average straight men. At least in Brazil, that is. The study focused on openly gay males, the group of people I said that should have a higher percentage of promiscuous individuals in the first place. And for me that study makes sense, because of the male's brain behaviour towards sex, the freedom of judgement from society ... I wasnt talking about gay men that are still "in the closet". I think that kind of person has deep troubles finding partners for sex ...

a man who likes another man = faggot

well Zad, at a time when even straight couples queue up to adopt kids (who in turn also queue up to get adopted.. go figure), the prospect of considerable abuse while growing up is a decent reason, i guess.

another question - if abuse wasn't an issue, should gay couples be considered on the exact same terms as straight couples when applying for adoption?

Ah, yes, the "my relative is gay, I know what I am talking about" argument. Truly, the benchmark of expertise in gay culture.

As for porn, well, it's your own argument that women's sexuality is different than men's. Why would it come as a shock that a woman is going to want a different kind of porn than a dude? There are actually porn companies run by women that make porn specifically marketed to women, in fact...and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the majority of their customers are women.

You say that you're not "full of stereotypes," but then you make wild assumptions about gay men based on straight men. Admittedly, the source of our disagreement might just be a culture gap; certainly, it would come as a startling revelation to find out that things are different in Brazil than in the U.S.

Faggot.

Why is this even being argued, let alone over multiple pages?
Honestly, who gives a fuck if a couple of pillow-biters want to (HAHAHA) take the plunge?

.. well, the right term would be bisexual.. unfortunately their's no real cool expression for that.. nothing beats "FAGGOT!!!"...dutch!!, frenchie!!!, Stefan!!!/Stefanie!!!, are not as powerful, I'm afraid.


btw, this topic is a bit "meh", in case it was created in the belief that California invented something completely new and shocking. California is not the first place on earth where gay ppl can get married. I think the Neitherlands were to first to allow gay ppl to get married in 2001, and Denmark was the first to allow homosexual civil unions in 1989, a uninion with same rights as marriage. However, I think the first gay marriages took place thousands of years ago, before Christianity changes the way ppl looked at sexuality and sex in general. So in the end there's nothing new under the sun, only re-invented ideas.
I think it is okay if gay ppl can get married, however, I think each church should decide on their own if they want to marry gay ppl. After all, it is a church and when you get married in a church it is also a religious ceremony. To legislate religion is just as stupid as when religion wants to influence politics.
Marriage at the Town Hall should always be possible, of course.



now... let us skip to the makeup sex and stop fighting each other. " Do you want a piece of meat?!?! huh ?"

Foster children in gay households are 20x better off than living in a foster home with other dysfunctional foster children despite any bullying they are subjected to.

I hate the argument that if we legalize gay marriage other marriages of odd nature like bestiality, incestuous will be accepted next. Being attracted to another male or another female is a lot different than falling in love with your sibling, children, pets or farm animals.

Oh ya?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... years.html

Can't you see how gay marriage is destroying our society even as we speak? Sure, it all sounds innocent and nice now, but what are we supposed to do now that people are marrying the Berlin Wall? Slippery slope. SLIPPERY SLOPE!