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Never happened to me! Maybe you're just eating in the wrong restaurants?

Of course, each group has its extremists, but it doesn't mean we have to tarnish the whole bunch. I find them pretty harmless overall.

I hate all people who are like that with their beliefs...

No, objectivism does not replace a deity with money and had you actually read and comprehended anything about it, you'd realize that. The closest thing to a deity in objectivism is probably the self. It is the self that can think, make decisions, act on them, etc., and it (the "I") is our greatest asset. Your "I'll have to assume it's all true" line is just more bullshit from you that's a vain attempt to cover up your laziness and lack of understanding with regards to the issue.

Money is hardly considered a deity in objectivism and had you really grasped what was said in the "interesting" excerpt I linked you, you'd realize that. Money is merely a tool of exchange. Enslaved by money? How? It's money that allows you to NOT be enslaved. Money gives you the opportunity to trade something of value to someone else for something that you value. It frees you from being enslaved by what someone else is only willing to give you. It frees us from living as humans did 2000 years ago.

It frees someone like me from a person like you because without money, people like you would run amock depending on everyone else to produce goods or services for them (there's already enough people doing that and getting by with it). Well, guess what genius? If everyone is relying on someone else, then who is actually going to be there to do the giving and without money, why on earth would they bother to help you? Because you enslave them through guilt.

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No, actually it isn't, and if you were really aware of what's going on in the USA around you, you'd realize that. Unfortunately, there are a lot more socialist agendas and policies here than people realize, it's just that no one actually wants to call them by that name.

Yes, we need a lot of reforms, but we do not need nationalized healthcare.

-Tyrion

You dig your own grave. Objectivism is selfish, all about the individual. Sure, by removing god from your minds you have opened them terrifically, but by making money the focus of your lives you miss the whole point of living. Money is the force that man uses to enslave his fellow, to put him to work for him, then pay him, so the boss can then make more money. It's a spiral that goes on and on, destroying many more than it empowers. And please, don't start with the insults - I am perfectly aware that capitalism is a part of everyday life. It is a necessary evil - but Objectivism makes it the be-all-and-end-all.

Laziness? As someone who looks beyond the coin in my day-to-day life, I am again astounded that you regard such basic human rights as not being nuked as not worthy of comment! "Someone like me" ... who cares about the poor, who cares about people abroad. What "you people" don't realise is, by allowing yourselves to help others you are weakening yourselves. You simply replace different races, you, them, with the rich and the poor, and use that as an excuse to say things like "who is going to be doing the giving"? I am far from Communist; society functions perfectly well under a social modal without falling into extremism on either side. "Enslaved through guilt", please! You help the less well-off, not exclude them altogether.

Again, defend Rand's belief that it's perfectly acceptable to kill civilians in war. You can't, can you?



Lunatic. You're as bad as that racist bitch Desolate Ever After. "The socialist agenda"! McCarthyist.

I live to spend time with people I love... 'cause thats what generally puts me in a good mood.

Let's stay on topic guys, kay?

OK. Vegetarians are not gay.

A vegitarian can't eat meat because it's cruel to animals, but will gladly make his partners ass bleed profusely. DOUBLE STANDARDS

Chicago has too many vegitarians... And now we'll always be known as the city who hosted the first Gay Games. Thanks God.

How can you say that? Every single Vegetarian I've ever met was a complete fucking fag.

Whereas you eat meat, and make your partners' ass bleed profusely. At least the veggies do something right!



Hey, if God didn't like gays, he'd have done something about them. Like, invented a diesease to kill them off that couldn't be stopped by a bit of rubber. DOH!!1111

LOL God curbs gays. AIDS is his boot.

Holy shit! You got something right about objectivism! *applause*



Again, you seem to have incorrect notions about Rand's views on money. Keep in mind that the way you see money at work today is not exemplary of how it would work in an objectivist fashion. I think Rand would be appalled at what is going on in this country, were she alive today and that includes the way that money is looked upon and used.



Why is any evil necessary?



That is so fucking wrong, and once again, ignorant. No, it is certainly in my best interests to help someone who is worth helping. I just happen to draw the line at helping out the scum who go around begging the government for part of my paychecks instead of getting a job, not because they're forced to, but because they choose to. Because they think I owe them something and want to guilt trip whoever they can to avoid doing anything productive. Thieves.



I know which article you're attempting to get me to respond to here, but point me to where Rand made this comment. If you want to comment on what Rand said, fine. If you want to comment on what some author that posts on the Ayn Rand Institute, fine. But don't conveniently twist the two together and expect me to play your silly little games.



Oh please, why should a brilliant mind be held back by the common worker? Seriously, if a person works hard and earns that nice house, what right does a poor man have to condemn him for it? If the house was bought through extortion or some other immoral means, then yes, there is a problem. And yes, that does happen today, unfortunately. And no, it is not a good thing, and yes, I am against it.

But to condemn someone for earning an honest living? Now that is the real "replacement for racism". :roll:



I'm glad you feel that way. I'll point that out to her since she's sitting right behind me. I'm sure she'll get as much amusement out of it as I do, probably more. ... I'm also sure that you'll be absolutely ecstatic to know she's my girlfriend. I can only imagine what kind of response such a revelation will incite from you. Don't be shy, please do tell.

Yes, there are plenty of socalist agendas and policies, it's nothing new. Want to read about one? Here's a particularly relevant one. Enjoy:

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/summer_2002_3.htmll

Now please, get your head out of the sand before you waste anymore text space in this thread.

-Tyrion

This.

http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/ ... 002_3.html

You expect me to take anything seriously from a man who quotes Fox News? What is wrong with stopping the gap between rich and poor from growing too big and thus leading to conditions that call for revolutions, eg the French one.

They don't just ask anyone to come along and write essays on Teh Official Ayn Rand Website. Of course it's reasonable to say that these fit in with her general ideas.

Zad- You are lazy. Have you even read any of Ayn Rand's works? I bet you haven't. I bet your opinion of her philosophy is just you regurgitating what you've heard other people say about her. You are an idiot. What makes you think your opinion on objectivism is worth shit when you can't even be bothered to read what the lady had to say in her own words? If you don't want to read a long book like Atlas Shrugged, check out one of her other books, like The Virtue of Selfishness.

You are completely confusing capitalism and greed and confusing objectivism with capitalism. Nevermind the fact that you can't seem to tell the difference between man and money. Don't sit here and shoot your mouth off and tell Tyrion he hasn't got a clue what objectivism is really about when you haven't even read anything by Rand. You just want to look smart about something without doing the work to actually be smart about it. Not that I'd expect anything else from someone like yourself.




No, they don't. They have a rather small group of writers who do almost all of the essays and few of them are true to Rand's spirit. Nevermind that they are writing from their interpretation of objectivism, not Rand's, as she is dead and many of them probably never met her. And because she is dead and her closest colleauges are either also dead or not affiliated with ARI, that site is not a good place to find out about objectivism. Like I said above, read her books if you want to know. But I don't think you do...you're content to be lazy.

Oh yeah - she was also fiercely homophobic and ridiculously anti-Soviet.

The point of the link is really only to illustrate the proposed 100 percent income tax. I happen to think any income tax is wrong, but 100 percent?! How can any working person not gawk at that? How can they not teach this in the public schools (which typically heap praises upon FDR)?

If you don't believe it's real, however, feel free to search for other sources. It's not a joke.

The problem isn't so much the gab between the rich and the poor as it is, how some of the rich are becoming rich, and how many of the poor are handling their situation. I think there is a breakdown on both ends. Looking at the gap isn't getting at all to the root of the problem.



I would tend to disagree with that, especially considering that she died nearly 25 years ago. I think if you really want to know what Rand has to say about objectivism, then read some of her works. If you do that, and then you want to talk about objectivism and / or talk about what's posted on the ARI site, that's perfectly reasonable.

EDIT - I'm not really into homophobia. Then again, I'm also pretty sure she was a heavy smoker, and I'm not into that either. I don't see a lot of relevance of either to objectivism, but perhaps there is in some ways. As for Russia, she was originally from Russia and the book "We The Living" is certainly a by-product of those experiences though it is not an actual autobiography.

-Tyrion

Zad I don't want to get involved in this but if you are using the French revolution as a example of class warfare I am going to have to disagree with you. It is much more complex than that.

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...Okay, my "experiment" is over. Locky or continue discussing the morality behind what people eat... Like it ever mattered. CONSUME.