Bush Unplugged

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:12 pm

Orion wrote:

So, you are saying there really is no such thing as love? Only the need to procreate?

I'm saying that they're the same thing. And I see where you're going with this so I'll counter you with dolphins have sex just for pleasure too.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:12 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

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noodles wrote:

Bush just acts really stupid so that the common person can relate to him. He probably wanted that to be overheard.

so that means the common american is really stupid?

America as a whole values the "common man." That's why he speaks with that ridiculous affected Texas accent, despite being from Conneticut. We eschew anything that looks like "elitism," but in recent years, this has meant embracing mindless Christianity and Blue Collar TV. I weep for my native land.

Christianity doesn't have to be mindless.

No. But the brand that's popular right now is.

"born again"?

Nope, the kind that thinks Creationism should be taught in science class, teaching teenagers about condoms will lead to premarital sex, and Bush was put in place by the new version of the divine right of kings.

Why shouldn't Creationism be taught in schools? Oh, and if you give kids condoms they will use them and then, eventually, not use them...

teaching creatonisim is like teaching the stork theory is sex ed. and if you don't give teenagers condoms, they will eventually have sex anyway not knowing shit about birth control, AIDS or any other STD

1. Not, if you have teachers that know what they are talking about. Teachers that can show the flaws in evolutionary theory.

2. When condoms are given out in school the teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates go up. It's a fact. Why not just tell kids that the best thing is not to have sex until you are at least an adult and are ready for the responsibility it brings.

there are no flaws in darwins theory. we just did this in science class this year. the public shcool teacher in a highly catholic community told us that creationism is bollocks and that evolution is teh awesome.

Oh, well in that case I better shut up and go home... :roll:

First and foremost. Evolution has no explanation for the human mind. Where do things such as morality come from? If evolution was true, then our whole lives would be surival based. This is clearly not the case.

oh yes it is. animals are dying out while humans have advanced technology and are multiplying like mad. We've adapted to our environment, we've reached a peak in evolution. We'll probably end up wiping out each other in a nuclear war and leaving the place to a radiation loving new human species. but if creationism i true, then why do our minds also hold all this capability for anger and violence?

Violenve goes back to the Fall, Adam, and Eve.

*dear god, could we have another shot at that forbidden fruit thing? thank you, on behalf of all humanity, MR*

and who put the violence there? if violence was brought with the apple, then who put the apples there in the first place?

Well, if you go back and read the Bible, God gave humans free will (something evolution has not explanation for). You seem to bring up the matter of evil, so I'm gonna ask you a question. What is evil?

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:14 pm

God's a funny guy, gives humans free will and then punishes them every time they disobey him.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:14 pm

noodles wrote:

Orion wrote:

So, you are saying there really is no such thing as love? Only the need to procreate?

I'm saying that they're the same thing. And I see where you're going with this so I'll counter you with dolphins have sex just for pleasure too.

What I'm getting at has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. When you have a girlfriend you don't care for her beyond wanting to have sex with her? Some boyfriend you are.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:15 pm

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Orion wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

noodles wrote:

Bush just acts really stupid so that the common person can relate to him. He probably wanted that to be overheard.

so that means the common american is really stupid?

America as a whole values the "common man." That's why he speaks with that ridiculous affected Texas accent, despite being from Conneticut. We eschew anything that looks like "elitism," but in recent years, this has meant embracing mindless Christianity and Blue Collar TV. I weep for my native land.

Christianity doesn't have to be mindless.

No. But the brand that's popular right now is.

"born again"?

Nope, the kind that thinks Creationism should be taught in science class, teaching teenagers about condoms will lead to premarital sex, and Bush was put in place by the new version of the divine right of kings.

Why shouldn't Creationism be taught in schools? Oh, and if you give kids condoms they will use them and then, eventually, not use them...

teaching creatonisim is like teaching the stork theory is sex ed. and if you don't give teenagers condoms, they will eventually have sex anyway not knowing shit about birth control, AIDS or any other STD

1. Not, if you have teachers that know what they are talking about. Teachers that can show the flaws in evolutionary theory.

2. When condoms are given out in school the teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates go up. It's a fact. Why not just tell kids that the best thing is not to have sex until you are at least an adult and are ready for the responsibility it brings.

there are no flaws in darwins theory. we just did this in science class this year. the public shcool teacher in a highly catholic community told us that creationism is bollocks and that evolution is teh awesome.

Oh, well in that case I better shut up and go home... :roll:

First and foremost. Evolution has no explanation for the human mind. Where do things such as morality come from? If evolution was true, then our whole lives would be surival based. This is clearly not the case.

oh yes it is. animals are dying out while humans have advanced technology and are multiplying like mad. We've adapted to our environment, we've reached a peak in evolution. We'll probably end up wiping out each other in a nuclear war and leaving the place to a radiation loving new human species. but if creationism i true, then why do our minds also hold all this capability for anger and violence?

Violenve goes back to the Fall, Adam, and Eve.

*dear god, could we have another shot at that forbidden fruit thing? thank you, on behalf of all humanity, MR*

and who put the violence there? if violence was brought with the apple, then who put the apples there in the first place?

Well, if you go back and read the Bible, God gave humans free will (something evolution has not explanation for). You seem to bring up the matter of evil, so I'm gonna ask you a question. What is evil?

what is god? if religious people claim that god is a very real and present entity, then why do we have no proof? only faith? that's not very reassuring...

and these questions are more of a spiritual matter than a scientific or biological matter.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:18 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Orion wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

Orion wrote:

Carnifex Umbris wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

noodles wrote:

Bush just acts really stupid so that the common person can relate to him. He probably wanted that to be overheard.

so that means the common american is really stupid?

America as a whole values the "common man." That's why he speaks with that ridiculous affected Texas accent, despite being from Conneticut. We eschew anything that looks like "elitism," but in recent years, this has meant embracing mindless Christianity and Blue Collar TV. I weep for my native land.

Christianity doesn't have to be mindless.

No. But the brand that's popular right now is.

"born again"?

Nope, the kind that thinks Creationism should be taught in science class, teaching teenagers about condoms will lead to premarital sex, and Bush was put in place by the new version of the divine right of kings.

Why shouldn't Creationism be taught in schools? Oh, and if you give kids condoms they will use them and then, eventually, not use them...

teaching creatonisim is like teaching the stork theory is sex ed. and if you don't give teenagers condoms, they will eventually have sex anyway not knowing shit about birth control, AIDS or any other STD

1. Not, if you have teachers that know what they are talking about. Teachers that can show the flaws in evolutionary theory.

2. When condoms are given out in school the teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates go up. It's a fact. Why not just tell kids that the best thing is not to have sex until you are at least an adult and are ready for the responsibility it brings.

there are no flaws in darwins theory. we just did this in science class this year. the public shcool teacher in a highly catholic community told us that creationism is bollocks and that evolution is teh awesome.

Oh, well in that case I better shut up and go home... :roll:

First and foremost. Evolution has no explanation for the human mind. Where do things such as morality come from? If evolution was true, then our whole lives would be surival based. This is clearly not the case.

oh yes it is. animals are dying out while humans have advanced technology and are multiplying like mad. We've adapted to our environment, we've reached a peak in evolution. We'll probably end up wiping out each other in a nuclear war and leaving the place to a radiation loving new human species. but if creationism i true, then why do our minds also hold all this capability for anger and violence?

Violenve goes back to the Fall, Adam, and Eve.

*dear god, could we have another shot at that forbidden fruit thing? thank you, on behalf of all humanity, MR*

and who put the violence there? if violence was brought with the apple, then who put the apples there in the first place?

Well, if you go back and read the Bible, God gave humans free will (something evolution has not explanation for). You seem to bring up the matter of evil, so I'm gonna ask you a question. What is evil?

what is god? if religious people claim that god is a very real and present entity, then why do we have no proof? only faith? that's not very reassuring...

and these questions are more of a spiritual matter than a scientific or biological matter.

How can there be evil without good? And I disagree that these are only spiritual matters. They affect everything.

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:18 pm

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

Orion wrote:

So, you are saying there really is no such thing as love? Only the need to procreate?

I'm saying that they're the same thing. And I see where you're going with this so I'll counter you with dolphins have sex just for pleasure too.

What I'm getting at has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. When you have a girlfriend you don't care for her beyond wanting to have sex with her? Some boyfriend you are.

and an addiction to the chemical reactions she makes go off in my brain

Also I forget what this has to do with evolution since humans establishing civilizations and having the stability to think about things other than sex and where their next meal would come from is what totally fucked shit up.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:20 pm

noodles wrote:

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

Orion wrote:

So, you are saying there really is no such thing as love? Only the need to procreate?

I'm saying that they're the same thing. And I see where you're going with this so I'll counter you with dolphins have sex just for pleasure too.

What I'm getting at has nothing to do with the pleasure of sex. When you have a girlfriend you don't care for her beyond wanting to have sex with her? Some boyfriend you are.

and an addiction to the chemical reactions she makes go off in my brain

Well, the thread on why we chose metal really makes a point too. If evolution is true then we didn't choose metal, we don't choose anything. We just do what our bodies tell us. Everyday I make decisions, some going against what my body is telling me.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27 pm

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

The first time I had sex I was drunk and some girl was like "I like stroking you" and then pulled me onto her bed. We didn't use a condom cuz we're pro.

Maybe morality came in when we started thinking for the good of the society.

Ignoring the first comment, if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in love. You just believe that your chemicals and neurons go all funky at some point in your life and you decide to mate with somebody.

What? If you believe in evolution you don't believe in love??? Are you on LSD? I am an atheist through and through, yet my girlfriend and I have a shitload of love between us. You don't need some stupid faith based on a book that was written by MORTAL men 2000 years ago to feel a natural human feeling as love.

And creationism is rubbish. I'll vote that shit down every chance I get. I won't have my future childs mind being filled with religious brainwashing, thank you very much. If the universe was created by something, what created the creator? Creationism states that everything has to come from something, so what created God? The fatal flaw of creationism.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:31 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

The first time I had sex I was drunk and some girl was like "I like stroking you" and then pulled me onto her bed. We didn't use a condom cuz we're pro.

Maybe morality came in when we started thinking for the good of the society.

Ignoring the first comment, if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in love. You just believe that your chemicals and neurons go all funky at some point in your life and you decide to mate with somebody.

What? If you believe in evolution you don't believe in love??? Are you on LSD? I am an atheist through and through, yet my girlfriend and I have a shitload of love between us. You don't need some stupid faith based on a book that was written by MORTAL men 2000 years ago to feel a natural human feeling as love.

And creationism is rubbish. I'll vote that shit down every chance I get. I won't have my future childs mind being filled with religious brainwashing, thank you very much. If the universe was created by something, what created the creator? Creationism states that everything has to come from something, so what created God? The fatal flaw of creationism.

Show me where love comes in with evolution. And how is that a fatal flaw in creation? The whole basis of creation is an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god. If you don't want to believe that then that's your choice. Hardly a flaw though.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:33 pm

Fingon wrote:

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FrigidSymphony wrote:

and that thing about dissing Kofi Annan was shit. The most important thing is for people to stop killing each other, THEN we can talk about politics. For crissakes, does bush even know what morality IS?

You know when humans are going to stop killing each other?

Fucking never.

yeah, but a little effort to prevent mass genocide in the future could be appreciated. :roll:

When has that ever happened in the history of this wretched race called humanity? We are just evolved animals, and animals kill each other all the time, everyday. Our opposable thumbs and "advanced intellects" doesn't change the fact that we are animals, and act as such every chance we get.

don't take this the wrong way, but i really pity you if this is your way on mankind. I don't judge our whole race on what indeed many are doing at this moment. However, i'm sure there are enough people who are good persons. Your criticism on your fellow man is to say the least, very stupid.

I'd say that 99% of the world are nothing but a bunch of self-important asshats. Humankind is good for absolutely nothing, history proves that time and time again. In all the years that we have been advancing, all we've been able to do is come up with newer and better ways to cut ourselves off from society and destroy each other. I don't have any hope for humanity, for humanity has no hope for itself. I don't think we are here for any divine purpose, and I really don't think we are important. One day the Earth will get tired of us, and shrug us off like the disgusting ticks that we are. The universe will still exist without us, and something else will come along and replace us.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:33 pm

Idk, how much longer I'll be on here today but if any of you guys wish to have an intellectual conversation about matters such as these or politics or anything my aim is Stormrider1650.

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:36 pm

Orion wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

The first time I had sex I was drunk and some girl was like "I like stroking you" and then pulled me onto her bed. We didn't use a condom cuz we're pro.

Maybe morality came in when we started thinking for the good of the society.

Ignoring the first comment, if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in love. You just believe that your chemicals and neurons go all funky at some point in your life and you decide to mate with somebody.

What? If you believe in evolution you don't believe in love??? Are you on LSD? I am an atheist through and through, yet my girlfriend and I have a shitload of love between us. You don't need some stupid faith based on a book that was written by MORTAL men 2000 years ago to feel a natural human feeling as love.

And creationism is rubbish. I'll vote that shit down every chance I get. I won't have my future childs mind being filled with religious brainwashing, thank you very much. If the universe was created by something, what created the creator? Creationism states that everything has to come from something, so what created God? The fatal flaw of creationism.

Show me where love comes in with evolution. And how is that a fatal flaw in creation? The whole basis of creation is an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god. If you don't want to believe that then that's your choice. Hardly a flaw though.

So where does this god come from? You completely avoided that question.What creates the creator, and why would he create such a useless waste of time such as humans? If this is the best that IT could do, well it's a pathetic failure.

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:37 pm

Well love started off when females were all like "I wanna nurture you" and men were like "I wanna protect you from tigers", and both of them were like "we wanna make babies", but then since humans started settling down and had time to think about things other than sex and where their next meal would come from, things like religion, art and love started showing up. And because people who had brains taht were good at these things were getting laid, they entered into the gene pool.

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So where does this god come from?

omnipresent = always has been there and always will be there.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

The first time I had sex I was drunk and some girl was like "I like stroking you" and then pulled me onto her bed. We didn't use a condom cuz we're pro.

Maybe morality came in when we started thinking for the good of the society.

Ignoring the first comment, if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in love. You just believe that your chemicals and neurons go all funky at some point in your life and you decide to mate with somebody.

What? If you believe in evolution you don't believe in love??? Are you on LSD? I am an atheist through and through, yet my girlfriend and I have a shitload of love between us. You don't need some stupid faith based on a book that was written by MORTAL men 2000 years ago to feel a natural human feeling as love.

And creationism is rubbish. I'll vote that shit down every chance I get. I won't have my future childs mind being filled with religious brainwashing, thank you very much. If the universe was created by something, what created the creator? Creationism states that everything has to come from something, so what created God? The fatal flaw of creationism.

Show me where love comes in with evolution. And how is that a fatal flaw in creation? The whole basis of creation is an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god. If you don't want to believe that then that's your choice. Hardly a flaw though.

So where does this god come from? You completely avoided that question?.What creates the creator, and why would he create such a useless waste of time such as humans? If this is the best that IT could do, well it's a pathetic failure.

I didn't avoid the question. If I say God has always existed you'll just say that is rubbish. Not sure why though. If God was created then there is obviously something greater than him, which wouldn't make him much of a God.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:41 pm

noodles wrote:

Well love started off when females were all like "I wanna nurture you" and men were like "I wanna protect you from tigers", and both of them were like "we wanna make babies", but then since humans started settling down and had time to think about things other than sex and where their next meal would come from, things like religion, art and love started showing up. And because people who had brains taht were good at these things were getting laid, they entered into the gene pool.

Quote:

So where does this god come from?

omnipresent = always has been there and always will be there.

How do these things just, show up? Why do people risk their lives for stangers? Is that not completely contradictory to evolutionary theory?

Eternal Idol · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:48 pm

Orion wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

Eternal Idol wrote:

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

The first time I had sex I was drunk and some girl was like "I like stroking you" and then pulled me onto her bed. We didn't use a condom cuz we're pro.

Maybe morality came in when we started thinking for the good of the society.

Ignoring the first comment, if you believe in evolution then you don't believe in love. You just believe that your chemicals and neurons go all funky at some point in your life and you decide to mate with somebody.

What? If you believe in evolution you don't believe in love??? Are you on LSD? I am an atheist through and through, yet my girlfriend and I have a shitload of love between us. You don't need some stupid faith based on a book that was written by MORTAL men 2000 years ago to feel a natural human feeling as love.

And creationism is rubbish. I'll vote that shit down every chance I get. I won't have my future childs mind being filled with religious brainwashing, thank you very much. If the universe was created by something, what created the creator? Creationism states that everything has to come from something, so what created God? The fatal flaw of creationism.

Show me where love comes in with evolution. And how is that a fatal flaw in creation? The whole basis of creation is an omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient god. If you don't want to believe that then that's your choice. Hardly a flaw though.

So where does this god come from? You completely avoided that question?.What creates the creator, and why would he create such a useless waste of time such as humans? If this is the best that IT could do, well it's a pathetic failure.

I didn't avoid the question. If I say God has always existed you'll just say that is rubbish. Not sure why though. If God was created then there is obviously something greater than him, which wouldn't make him much of a God.

Because religion is a man-made creation. Plain and simple. Even if there was a god, I really don't think it is a sentient being. It's probably just this entity that just happens to create, it's just what it does. I don't think there is this whole plan laid out, where every microscopic thing in the universe is an important cog. It's just a little too far fetched. Things are because they are. Humankind has no fucking clue, and we are a long ways away from ever knowing. I honestly feel that "God" is a defense mechanism to make humans feel better about an irrational fear of death. It makes certain people feel better if they know there is a nice happy place to go to when they die, instead of the harsh reality of possibly just rotting away. Plus, our minds cannot comprehend nothingness, so we convince ourselves that there must be something out there. Lastly, human ego needs the thought of being created by something, for we are far too important to just be part of a natural system.. I don't feel that sense of self-importance.

noodles · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:50 pm

Orion wrote:

noodles wrote:

Well love started off when females were all like "I wanna nurture you" and men were like "I wanna protect you from tigers", and both of them were like "we wanna make babies", but then since humans started settling down and had time to think about things other than sex and where their next meal would come from, things like religion, art and love started showing up. And because people who had brains taht were good at these things were getting laid, they entered into the gene pool.

Quote:

So where does this god come from?

omnipresent = always has been there and always will be there.

How do these things just, show up? Why do people risk their lives for stangers? Is that not completely contradictory to evolutionary theory?

Maybe, but evolution still has more proof than Creationism's proof of "evolution is wrong!". I mean we eventually learnt that the sun wasn't pulled across the sky by a dude in a chariot, so I think we'll figure the rest of it out soon enough. For me the weirdest thing about religion is how it has been in pretty much every single human culture in some form or another.

Orion · **Posted:** Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:51 pm

Well, I'm off for the afternoon. Intersting conversation though. Idol, hit me up on aim sometime, stormrider1650, and we can talk about this more. I find this kinda stuff very interesting.

ElTipo · **Posted:** Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:46 am

:shock: This got crazy. I don't see the rationale to there not being God, since, if he is God, then what rules does he (a flaw in the english language considering God doesn't have a sex) have to abide by? You say that God needs a creator but that's under the customary human experience that everything needs a creator. I also don't see the big conflict between science and religion. I am a firm believer in that science and religion can be extremely beneficial to mankind. Why do evolution and creationism have to conflict? It's almost become the norm for any new scientific find to be contradictory to religious beleifs (such as stem cell usage). I see no problem with the usage of a cell culture created artifically by implanting genetic material into an embryotic cell. Ehhh... there's just so much, and the news and entire country of America is saturated with these debates and oppositions that it's starting to become excessive. I'm tired of the conflict.

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