Films watched recently... (CAUTION, SPOILERS)

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:08 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I never compared book learning with intelligence. I never said anything about intelligence. I spoke about education.

And what does being educated prove?
That you can retain data?
Why even mention it at all, then?

If you're going to question the merits of education, then I don't see how this debate is any longer productive. You can't acquire knowledge without a system providing the means, resources, and intellectual guidance to teach.

Of course you can't...
haha at the "education system" being the sole source of "the means, resources, and intellectual guidance to teach", though.
Indeed, let's just drop it.

Never said it was the sole source. Although, for many people, it's the most important one.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:10 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Haha, I don't know many Americans that give half a damn about the minutae of European life...

And yet, they seem to think they know all about it. How odd :omfg:

Examples?

Your previous post?

Hmmm... I must have missed something, because I don't see anything about minutae of European life...
I mentioned a certain type of twat, the pretentious snob that looks down on us po' benighted 'mericans, though.

Didn't it occur to you that the whole shit about "Europe is being overrun by Muslims; har har sharia law" is every bit as ignorant a generalisation as the remarks FS made?

You're very quick to leap on any and every jibe he makes, and on this occasion equally quick to say stupid things of your own, is what I'm saying.

Now, this is the films watched recently thread so any more Europe v US arguments feel free to relocate to Politics where I'm more than happy to resume this discussion.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:11 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

You can't deny that the religious situation in the US is an anomaly as far as civilized nations go. Nowhere else in the advanced world does only 39% of the population believe in evolution. Nowhere else would a historical drama about Charles Darwin not find distribution. Nowhere else would a mainstream media spokesperson advocate the murder of a medical doctor on religious grounds. Insulting me won't get you anywhere, and apart from being completely uncalled for (I insulted none of you personally), is also highly counterproductive.

And yeah, I'm highly critical of Islam as well. I try to be critical about everything that needs criticism, in my own countries as well as others.

The big question is: why do you even care?
It is the height of arrogance to think that just because a certain percentage of people doesn't share your beliefs, that they are somehow wrong. Like I said, reading a few books doesn't make you any more intelligent than anybody else. Anybody can regurgitate words.

As for the Islam bit, well, maybe you are, but I was speaking in terms of the typical America bashing Euro lefty.

And, yeah you continously insult Americans, for this or that, I think the last time was because of some shit band named brokencycle or some bullshit so, climb off of your high horse before it crumbles and falls on top of you. Face it and be honest: you do it because it makes you feel superior, somehow... the only problem is, it's not edgy anymore, so maybe you should find another trend to jump on.

I care because I'm an American and it's my country too. I care because America has the power to direct globalization in ways favourable to all of humanity. I care because I care about the truth. I care because I care about ethics, and about keeping children free from indoctrination and dangerous dogmas. I don't regurgitate words, I think critically about the information that is presented to me and try to find the most truthful version. I don't criticize because it makes me feel superior, I criticize because some things need to be criticized. So don't try and diminish my arguments by insinuating that I'm an asshole on the bandwagon.

Who are you to decide what constitutes indoctrination and dangerous dogmas?
Or are those simply simply fancy ways of saying"things with which I disagree with?"
Don't use such high-falootin' language, I'm a dumb American, after all. Poor head caint keep up...

I apply the philosophy of ethics, which from a socio-biological point of view (read up on memetics, it's fascinating. Basically evolutionary theory applied to ideologies :ph34r:

) are relative to suffering. If something causes suffering, it's dangerous. If it causes ignorance, it's dangerous.

rio · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:14 pm

To politics, I say! Or the seminary, as conversation seems to have taken a bookish turn...

Looking forward to The Road. I don't remember the main character's wife being in it though? Is that my faulty memory, or has she been added for visual appeal?

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:20 pm

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Haha, I don't know many Americans that give half a damn about the minutae of European life...

And yet, they seem to think they know all about it. How odd :omfg:

Examples?

Your previous post?

Hmmm... I must have missed something, because I don't see anything about minutae of European life...
I mentioned a certain type of twat, the pretentious snob that looks down on us po' benighted 'mericans, though.

Didn't it occur to you that the whole shit about "Europe is being overrun by Muslims; har har sharia law" is every bit as ignorant a generalisation as the remarks FS made?

But, that was the whole point... how is the whole anti- American religious right bit any different than what Coulter says?
I thought I had established that.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:46 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Haha, I don't know many Americans that give half a damn about the minutae of European life...

And yet, they seem to think they know all about it. How odd :omfg:

Examples?

Your previous post?

Hmmm... I must have missed something, because I don't see anything about minutae of European life...
I mentioned a certain type of twat, the pretentious snob that looks down on us po' benighted 'mericans, though.

Didn't it occur to you that the whole shit about "Europe is being overrun by Muslims; har har sharia law" is every bit as ignorant a generalisation as the remarks FS made?

But, that was the whole point... how is the whole anti- American religious right bit any different than what Coulter says?
I thought I had established that.

Because there is such a thing as objective fact and critical thinking. Coulter spews hateful, hypocritical, and fraudulent bullshit. The dangers of religion have been widely documented.

Mods, split these last posts into the politics thread?

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:10 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

rio wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Haha, I don't know many Americans that give half a damn about the minutae of European life...

And yet, they seem to think they know all about it. How odd :omfg:

Examples?

Your previous post?

Hmmm... I must have missed something, because I don't see anything about minutae of European life...
I mentioned a certain type of twat, the pretentious snob that looks down on us po' benighted 'mericans, though.

Didn't it occur to you that the whole shit about "Europe is being overrun by Muslims; har har sharia law" is every bit as ignorant a generalisation as the remarks FS made?

But, that was the whole point... how is the whole anti- American religious right bit any different than what Coulter says?
I thought I had established that.

Because there is such a thing as objective fact and critical thinking. Coulter spews hateful, hypocritical, and fraudulent bullshit. The dangers of religion have been widely documented.

Mods, split these last posts into the politics thread?

So the only issue you have with Coulter is her venomous delivery?
Because, there is no difference in the overall message, or the hypocrisy of generalizing entire continents / religions.
Actually, as despicable as Coulter is, there's a part of me that loves the way she makes liberals contort with spasms of rage.

Oh, and "dangers", "widely documented"? haha, please...
You could just as easily state that science is more dangerous than religion... science gave us the Bomb, napalm, flamethrowers etc.
See, religion isn't the problem, any more than science is; no. the problem is man.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:11 pm

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:14 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

Not interested.
Don't need others to do my thinking for me, thanks anyway.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:15 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

Not interested.
Don't need others to do my thinking for me, thanks anyway.

It's not letting others do your thinking for you, it's hearing different arguments on the issue and seeing who makes more sense and who is presenting good ideas.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:27 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

Not interested.
Don't need others to do my thinking for me, thanks anyway.

It's not letting others do your thinking for you, it's hearing different arguments on the issue and seeing who makes more sense and who is presenting good ideas.

Only if it is balanced out with the other side of the story.
Indoctrination, indeed...

Again, love how Christianity is singled out, while Islam gets a pass by this ever so objective author.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:31 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

Not interested.
Don't need others to do my thinking for me, thanks anyway.

It's not letting others do your thinking for you, it's hearing different arguments on the issue and seeing who makes more sense and who is presenting good ideas.

Only if it is balanced out with the other side of the story.
Indoctrination, indeed...

Again, love how Christianity is singled out, while Islam gets a pass by this ever so objective author.

No, for Islam he wrote The End of Faith: Religion and Terror.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:31 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I'm not going to get into a debate about the inherent dangers of faith and religion as a way of thinking. I can refer to you Sam Harris' excellent (and comfortably short) book Letter To A Christian Nation. Sums it up quite neatly.

Not interested.
Don't need others to do my thinking for me, thanks anyway.

It's not letting others do your thinking for you, it's hearing different arguments on the issue and seeing who makes more sense and who is presenting good ideas.

Only if it is balanced out with the other side of the story.
Indoctrination, indeed...

Again, love how Christianity is singled out, while Islam gets a pass by this ever so objective author.

No, for Islam he wrote The End of Faith: Religion and Terror.

Ah.

Zeth · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:14 pm

Glad you brought up Sam Harris, been meaning to read those books for a while now.
I'm sure there's lots of response to his work as well, to bring out this other side of the argument. There always is, just can't expect it to come from the same author in his own books.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:34 pm

rio wrote:

To politics, I say! Or the seminary, as conversation seems to have taken a bookish turn...

Looking forward to The Road. I don't remember the main character's wife being in it though? Is that my faulty memory, or has she been added for visual appeal?

There was only allusions to his wife and how she killed herself in fear of the future or maybe during childbirth I believe. I guess making her a bigger character will bring more heart and emotion into it as opposed to relying solely on the father-son relationship which some audiences may not warm up to since the father does have to be so cold and harsh at times. I can't wait to see the slave basement part.

I love V's style. Sam Harris blows. Read Marx instead.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:45 pm

District 9. Best I've seen in a while.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:50 pm

Goat wrote:

Oh Frigid...

Shit just got real.

I don't see why people are responding so negatively to this film, since it doesn't even sound like an "Evolution = Right! Creation = Wrong!" rant. It just sounds like a biography documenting Darwin's gradual lapse in faith (from Christianity to Deism to finally settling with Agnosticism). Personally, I think it would've been an interesting (albeit depressing) watch.

Anyway, the last movie I saw was Inglorious Bastards. An interesting (yet gory) World War II film if you don't mind a little psychadelia intermixed with your "World War II Ejumacation."

rio · **Posted:** Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:02 am

traptunderice wrote:

rio wrote:

To politics, I say! Or the seminary, as conversation seems to have taken a bookish turn...

Looking forward to The Road. I don't remember the main character's wife being in it though? Is that my faulty memory, or has she been added for visual appeal?

There was only allusions to his wife and how she killed herself in fear of the future or maybe during childbirth I believe. I guess making her a bigger character will bring more heart and emotion into it as opposed to relying solely on the father-son relationship which some audiences may not warm up to since the father does have to be so cold and harsh at times. I can't wait to see the slave basement part.

I love V's style. Sam Harris blows. Read Marx instead.

Oh yeah, I remember now.

Yeah, that all makes sense.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:57 pm

As for Frigid and Valefor's discussion, I think this sums it up quite nicely:

Wintermute · **Posted:** Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:33 pm

Blood Simple.

It was good! I'm taking a class which, technically, is called "Studies in Film Genres," but our professor decided to turn it into a class on the Coen Brothers, which is pretty cool, and can still kind of fit into the title of the class.

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