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Do you hold citizenship in Scotland? If so, than I guess you could call youreslf a resident of Scotland, maybe even one well versed in her ways, but blood is what really counts. Ethnicity =/= nationality and even more so, adopted nationality.

I just find it rather amusing that you are calling out some broad on a message board for having the unmitigated gall, it would seem, to comment on Scots... her being from the States seems to be the sticking point, although I guess her being Scottish American doesn't account for much to "a real Scotsman"... Don't you (and other Europeans / Canadians, etc) do the very same in regards to the US often enough? That is make social commentray on us as if you have firsthand knowledge? At any rate, how is she any less of a Scot than you? If she is Scottish by blood, well...
and how arrogant to assume she knows nothing of her heritage; Celts, of all stripes are VERY much interested and take a pride in their roots here, trust me.

Is some white kid that acts like he is black African? No, he is a whigger, no matter how well steeped in black culture he may be, he is still white.

I just love irony, is all.

Please guys, would you be so kind as to keep this bullshit for the "politics" thread so that we can ignore it all? Thank you.

edit: I have exactly 0% of "French blood" in my veins, I'm going to call the police ASAP tomorrow to denounce myself.

Irish yes; I think Scottish is spotty though.

Oh how I missed your logic V welcome back my friend

Is there a violation of any rules here?

You didn't seem to mind the initial posts a few days ago, now all of a sudden it's bullshit...



whatever.

As a pure-blooded Englishman in both ancestral and cultural terms...

*doesn't need to say anything else as clearly wins at everything*

Oh, I doubt I'll be sticking around too much.. I may post here and there, but this place is too soft, I wouldn't want to offend anybodies delicate sensibilities. I mean the above exchange was nowhere near heated nor "out of line" but it didn't take long for a mod to step in with admonishments.

All the Scot's I know (oops, I guess they don't count, being only Scottish by blood) are actually quite ethnocentic.

But, by all means, let's have no more of this, it's upsetting to the few forumites that actually post here, apparenrly.

Nah, not all of a sudden, only when you replied. But go ahead, I wasn't at all trying to censor anyone. And again, I'm no mod here, just the janitor.



Agreed.

Leave ethnic nationalism to the fascists. Civic nationalism is the fucking platform of the Scottish government, for chrissakes. The national identity of the country is defined by inclusiveness and civic identity rather than babbling about "bloodlines". By the way, are the "ethnocentric" Scots you know Pictish? Northumbrian? Manxian? Celtic? Apart from the fact that ethnically anything non Anglo-Saxon (i.e. Welsh and Scottish) in Britain was nothing but spillover from Scandinavia and Ireland, where does that leave you with "real Scottish blood"?

I'm slating the ignorant blog-author for assuming things about a culture she does not know and is actually harming by her actions. If she really cared about Scotland's dignity, she'd emigrate back, participate in the independence campaign, and try to help the country in a tangible way, rather than spouting off nonsense that assuages her white guilt, something I'd think you'd be quick to agree with me on, given your history of ridiculous positions.

EDIT: Your hypothetical wigger could very well become a naturalized Somalian or Libyan or Algerian or whatever, if an African country followed a policy of civic inclusiveness rather than racist exclusion. I would agree with you that for any amount of posturing, I could never claim to be Pictish or something- my genealogy is mostly Lithuanian jewish with some Lombardian Gallic thrown in. Being Scottish, however, has nothing to do with ethnic lines, and indeed, many representative cultural icons in Scotland are originally from Pakistan, India, England, even France (thanks to the Auld Alliance maintaining friendship between our two nations). The only people who still think that national identity is defined by blood and ethnicity are fascists and racists.

Sure thing.

Tell, me do you consider Pakistanians that live and particpate in Scotland to be Scottish? How about Chinese? Or would they have to adopt the "stereotypes" to be considered as such?

See my edit. They most certainly are. Most of the first generation immigrants will prefer to consider themselves Pakistani or Chinese or whatever, but overwhelmingly, the second generation of these people end up fully integrated in Scottish society. Holyrood is also the most diverse and representative parliament in the UK (probably in the entire commonwealth, come to think of it), and the SNP has the highest proportion of minority politicians and representatives in the UK. Some of them even swore their oaths to the Scottish government in Urdu, which was seen as perfectly acceptable by absolutely everybody.

You're still confusing nationality with ethnicity.

As one without an ounce of actual Scottish blood coursing through his veins, perhaps you should take a back seat and not get all self righteous with indignation when someone with actial blood ties decides to voice their opinion. She is (at least) as Scottish as you, no matter how many logical and verbal acrobatics you attempt to pull off. And maybe take it into account the next time you feel like you know what's what here in the States.
Just saying, is all.

Now we can all go back to laughing, holding hands and singing Barney tunes.

Nationality and ethnicity are two very separate things, the relationship between which depends on every separate state or nation's interpretation thereof. My points have been coherent and cogent, and if you think I'm confusing things it's only because you're a bitter racist who can't help but jump when those damn Europeans get all uppity and tell us 'Murkins that we're wrong.

Fuck off.

Why so mad?

I can guess.

Anyway, since you've devolved to personal insults, what I've suspected all along has been verified.

Any way, have a tissue and a midol, and if that doesn't help, maybe you can regal us all with your Penthouse Forum sexcapades, we are all dying for the next installment.

Finally this is getting personal. Now you can carry on in this thread, guys, it's only fitting. Make us proud

I get mad because whenever you engage, it's in a derisive, childish, smarmy way, simply trying to get a rise rather than submit something coherent and constructive. You also constantly bring up the same racist tropes, and I find it maddening to be subjected to such idiocy. Don't cry victory, the only reason I'm angry and insulting you is because I think you are actually personally a vile cretin, not because my arguments are coming undone or something. You haven't addressed a single point. Not one.

Poor guy, it's ok. Someone called you on your bullshit and you don't like it one bit.

Oh, and, you're not Scottish.