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There's sex for the hell of it, and there's sex that is a form of intimacy with the person you love. It takes maturity to distinguish between the two, and some kids have to learn it. I don't think teens today are having any less sex then any other period, it's just that we're a lot more open about it.
Kids aren't having more sex, you're right. My thought is by providing universal birth control will blur the two forms of sex and create a society unable to distinguish between the two.

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There's sex for the hell of it, and there's sex that is a form of intimacy with the person you love. It takes maturity to distinguish between the two, and some kids have to learn it. I don't think teens today are having any less sex then any other period, it's just that we're a lot more open about it.
Kids aren't having more sex, you're right. My thought is by providing universal birth control will blur the two forms of sex and create a society unable to distinguish between the two.


I'm not sure if I agree with that. I think that no matter how easy it is to have sex, people will still realize the difference between emotional bonding and fun.

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^Keynes was amazing at responding to nay-sayers.

@Zad: I just don't think you understand the fact that this girl probably had little sexual education, too poor to buy "frivolous" (the quotes represent her view as a lower class individual) birth control, and probably parents who were too busy distracted either by raising their own kids that they had due to the aforementioned reasons or working multiple jobs. In those kinds of situations, the oldest child which I believe was her usually have to fend for themselves. I'm generalizing with a lot of this so it may not apply to that girl specifically.


Indeed; I'd be amazed if it turns out that teen pregnancy isn't directly correlatable to inequality in a society. The only country in the developed world with a hgher teen pregnancy rate than the UK is the USA, and, amazingly enough, it's also the only country in the developed world that is more unequal than the UK as well. Same with crime, and probably the same with drug use as well, although I haven't checked that.

This, Goat, is what I believe trapt means by "material causes" :cool:

Normally I get fed up of Polly T's constant New Labour love, but she puts it pretty well here. (Although I would never condone the utterance that New Labour is "improving" anything :lame: )

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... new-labour

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When Alfie's father emerged in a devil mask carrying a sign reading "No Comment Ring Max [Clifford]" as newspapers blandished cheques, the saga offered a perfect allegory. It went on getting better: two local boys claimed to be the real father; Alfie's father turned out to have eight other children by various women; Chantelle's family is awash with half- and step-siblings, but not a job in sight. "Welcome to modern Britain, Maisie" read the Sunday Times leader, thundering on at the "underclass, devoid of the values and morality of a civilised society". "Failed by liberals" was the Daily Mail's leader, pressing the repeat key on its increasingly cult-like belief that sex education causes sex.

Expect that repeat key to be thumped again next week, when more bad news will thrill the 80% of the press that is now solidly bent on electing David Cameron. Broken Britain will be "proven" when the 2007 teenage pregnancy figures are set to show an increase.

Disgraceful distortions of the figures make it look as if teen pregnancies have risen since 1998. In fact the rate is lower than for 20 years. Not surprisingly, Brook, the young people's advisory service, finds public opinion grossly overestimates the problem, imagining five times more teen pregnancies than is the case. The Mail cheated by giving total numbers, not percentages. Since there are more teenagers now, crude numbers look worse. But the percentage of teen pregnancies has fallen since 1998 by 12.6% among under-18s and by 12.3% among under-16s. And 60% of young girls now opt for abortion - so there are 23% fewer teen births. But next week's figures for 2007 will show a dispiriting up-turn, and it's impossible to know if it's just a blip.

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Step back and look at the big picture: Britain's teenage pregnancy rates are appalling, with only the US worse in the west. Why? Because teen pregnancy tracks inequality. That does not absolve Alfie, Chantelle and their parents of their personal responsibilities. But the most unequal nations have the greatest number of dysfunctional families, unless the cycle is broken by determined and expensive intervention in generation after generation.

Labour has tried, but most of Europe, under more decades of social democratic governments, has worked harder for longer. Too often Labour thought it could move mountains with teaspoons, making Swedish promises with neither Swedish taxes, nor the will to force social democratic policies on to local services. There will be plenty more Alfie, Shannon and Baby P stories - testaments not to a worsening "broken Britain" but to a low tax, weak social policy century that Labour has only started to improve.


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New Labour is an improvement on the Tories. Well, it was at first.


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Now it isn't though.

Anyway, being an improvement on the Tories is not enough to deserve support. It is only because people have put up with their shit on that very basis that they suck as much as they do now.


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Now it isn't though.

Anyway, being an improvement on the Tories is not enough to deserve support. It is only because people have put up with their shit on that very basis that they suck as much as they do now.


Well, chances are that Brown'll be out on his ear soon enough.


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New debate topic...? How about Geert Wilders being banned from the Uk, but not people like Abu Qatada.

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New debate topic...? How about Geert Wilders being banned from the Uk, but not people like Abu Qatada.


Banning anyone is slightly ridiculous. Wilders shouldn't have been banned, his film is easily discredited and only appeals to nutjobs anyways. I hate my country a lot of the time now.


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And I think they're letting the Westboro Baptist Church in now. Wilders was banned for "inciting hatred against a minority". If the WBC isn't doing the same thing, then wtf.

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Fred Phelps banned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hamp ... 898972.stm


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Coherence! Thank you, now get all the hate-mongering pro-Sharia imam's out.

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I don't think anybody should be banned from entering or exiting any country.

However much one may point the finger at religion or whatever else, there is one thing that has caused more violence than anything else in recent years (centuries, even), and that is the NATION STATE. (Apart from maybe money, but then the two things are bound up together).

Borders are lines in the sand there to divide us. :D


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rofl. that would be even better if it was just the face there.


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13 year olds having sex? Shocker! And a girl that BIG actually allowed a kid that small into her? What was she thinking?

When all this happens, I believe the only people who are to be blamed are the parents of teen parents. I know sex education is a tough thing to teach to young kids but you have to. And if you can't then the only way to keep them away from such 'tragedies' are by being strict and watch who their kids are going out with.

I think teaching children/teenagers safe sex is a bad idea to a certain extent. It's like literally telling them that teen sex is fine. What IF we don't teach them about condoms or period cycles, they would still wanna engage in sexual activity, BUT they would be scared to do it.

If all else fails, fuck, just legalize abortion dammit.


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I'm so glad I was a late bloomer and that sex hardly crossed my mind as a teenager. Teens having sex is just pointless. How hard is is to wait until 18 or early 20's to find someone you truly love for sex?


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I'm so glad I was a late bloomer and that sex hardly crossed my mind as a teenager. Teens having sex is just pointless. How hard is is to wait until 18 or early 20's to find someone you truly love for sex?


It's bloody good fun?

And how do you know that teenagers can't have emotions of an intensity equal if not greater than those of an adult as well? And what is "true love" anyway??

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If people waited for love in order to have sex, a lot of us would not be here posting.


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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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I'm so glad I was a late bloomer and that sex hardly crossed my mind as a teenager. Teens having sex is just pointless. How hard is is to wait until 18 or early 20's to find someone you truly love for sex?


It's bloody good fun?

And how do you know that teenagers can't have emotions of an intensity equal if not greater than those of an adult as well? And what is "true love" anyway??


I thought you were the Power Metal guy? Isn't that what you guys sing about apart from dragons and fairy-tale lands? :P


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i probably would have had sex sooner if the opportunity had presented itself tbh


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