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Christ, the political correctness from tools like you never ceases to amaze me. It's ok that he's dead but if we insult the towelhead's burial rites, then we've stepped on their feet enough to mitigate a terrorist attack. Remember kids, we're the bad guys for being culturally disrespectful, yet you can give them a free pass for being systematically oppressive to any and all other system of beliefs thats non-islamic. You are a walking joke

America was justified for having internment camps during WWII because the Axis had concentration camps, right? I think you used mitigate wrong. You are so critical of Islamic nations, calling them all towelheads (which is on the same level as calling blacks niggers probably), yet you are fine with reducing yourself to their standards. That is a contradiction. How do you not understand that what you judge them for being, you have to be better than in order to not be deemed hypocritical?

Let's not assume all people on this forum are Western white males, please.

How, then? Saying what you wouldn't have done does not answer the question.

Oh and I knew it was Hussein, without a doubt; a double is one thing, but an exact replicate is an entirely different matter.
There was no mistaking who it was.

What in the green fuck does this have to do with anything?

Do you have absolutely no conception that the majority of radicals there despise you as well? Even in your spineless defense of them and their complicit cohorts, they don't like you as you haven't submitted to their desert "God". The very definition of the word "Islam" is to submit, so calling them an epithet is no different than them calling Westerners Kaffirs or Infidels. Suffice to say that even when we had internment camps which I believe to be blatantly unconstitutional, your argument is baseless as we weren't actively cooking or murdering the Japanese wholesale. I have no respect for a complicit nation of people that say they condemn terrorist attacks, yet refuse to police their own populace and root out the radicals at the base. What does race have anything to do with people on this forum?

What? No, the second one is definitely worse.

That's just it, isn't it?
We can bend over and grab our ankles in regards to "respecting their culture"... it is not and will not be reciprocated.
They laugh at us for doing so, in fact. I know I would if my sworn enemy went out of his way to make sure i wasn't "offended" somehow.
You and I know this, as do many others, but somehow this simple knowledge eludes some.

The internment camps from 60 years ago are not even germaine to the discussion; a red herring and false equivalence.

Odd. I'd put all racial epithets on the same level for the most part. Still some respect needs to be had in these discussions.

It'd be a red herring only if you have the attention span of a child. Just because my enemy kills women and children doesn't mean that I should or would. How is that a hard argument to understand? It doesn't matter what the Islamic fundamentalists we wage war against think of us or how they behave, we supposedly have morals and should stick to them. Maybe we disagree on what these morals are that we have but I'd like to think that we are waging war because we think we have a reason that we should be doing so. Presumably something wrong was done to us, why should we do something wrong back to them in an attempt to make right?

As for how 9/11 should have been responded to? Exactly this. Minus the decade of wars. One war with nothing whatsoever to do with the terrorist attacks and the first war with some justification yet we never deemed 9/11 an act of war which makes it not right to retaliate with war against Afghanistan. 9/11 was deemed a criminal action which we should have taken care of through criminal justice means, not war. We have not only devastated these two countries but the very way which bin Laden gained so much respect, i.e., using his wealth to provide for the impoverished in his country after Soviet and U.S. intrusion, is what we've created the possibility for in Iraq and most likely again in Afghanistan, as seen my the creation of the Mahdi army. Exacerbating the problem is not how I would seek to solve the problem.

We have reviews of Arkan and Acrassicauda on this site. Just for the sake of civility, let's not assume that everyone who might come to this forum and read this possible thread is white and that Arabs or Muslims might actually be interested in metal! I know, crazy right? References to "desert god" and "towelheads" might look a little unseemly to those users. Being of Spanish and Puerto Rican descent doesn't make language like this acceptable. I knew you weren't Caucasian but I didn't know how else to say that but now I've spelled the whole damn thing out.

Oh bad old America is morally wrong, when the society down there is far more oppressive on every level than we are. True we fucked up in both wars, but once we pull out of the region nothing will change, because they are backward as fuck. Exactly how would we try this situation in our criminal courts, I used to believe that we were able too, but since the hijackers are dead and others involved are hiding it's a bit complicated. I never once heard the term 911 was "criminal", yet I have always heard it used as the term terrorist. Keep in mind these people weren't US citizens, so trying them in our courts would be problematic as they couldn't fall under so many applicable laws.

As for your Osama statement boo fucking hoo, while I'm against the war we've done more to give these bastards infrastructure, while our own countries infrastructure lay crumbling. These muzzies were down in their own shit, and at least we gave them electricity and other goods. Regardless, I think we need to pull out as it's been largely hell for us.

QFT .. and the rumour is that Saudia Arabia was offered the body, but refused. Given the fact they only had 24 hours to commit his body to burial, the sea seemed like a convenient option. Although, I'm sure they had all of these contingencies planned out months in advance.

At this point, you aren't responding to what I'm saying. So I'll just drop out of this. Arabs are barbarians and backwards. Yeah, Beck. Cool story. Afghanistan was one of the most developed and secular countries in the region till Soviet invasion and our waging of war on the U.S.S.R. vicariously through people like bin Laden. They were doing fine before we intervened in the 80s, and now as for us "giving them electricity"; many of these people in these countries don't have access to the clean water and electricity that they had prior to our post-9/11 attacks. What little infrastructure they have completed is being done by the wealthy living in these countries. Any infrastructure which we had intended on building for them, we left unfinished insofar as private companies had war clauses where they could opt out of finishing if it got too dangerous. These countries are left in shambles much moreso than when we first bombed the fuck out of them.

I'm Muslim but I've got better things to do than worry about what is being said about Islam/Arabs/etc on an internet message board. So whatever.

Agreed with you guys. I don't see how throwing his body into the ocean helps anything.

Trapt, the gist of every argument of yours is: you loathe everything your nation stands for, and because you do not believe in nations, you think that you don't loathe yourself. Whereas you should, if you weren't a hypocrite.

Oh dear.

*exits thread*

Had a discussion with a German friend of mine today who thought that this would only provoke more bloodshed. My answer was basically what Jon Stewart said... "So NOW the terrorists will want to kill us??"

Being critical of the place you live for not living up to its own standards equates to self-loathing? Cool story...not. Or is this a critique of being a Marxist in a capitalist world? Never heard that one before. I don't expect a substantive response from you so I'm kinda wasting my time typing this.

Just as I was wasting mine. You're so akin to commies here it's almost funny. Almost, when you consider the loonies here glorify Castro's Cuba as being a promised land.

Also, there is a difference between being critical and being scathing, and I've rarely seen you be anything but the latter with regards to your own country.