The General Politics Thread

traptunderice · **Posted:** Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:57 pm

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

It's not just a war being waged on a culture or region. How our government is set up, a fragmentary collection of bureaucracies and private contracts, waging war becomes an instrument of private corporations who influence these bureaucracies and receives the contracts. Dick Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

It's interesting to read this, coming from a boy who, just a few months ago, was saying he's not averse to violence in left-wing demonstrations etc.

So violence can only legitimately further your cause, and no other?

Violence directed towards repressive institutions is different than against helpless populaces? Waging a war against Hitler is different than the violence in any number of third world countries being reigned down on the people by homicidal dictators?

The thing about violence, you see, is that there's always a party being victim to it. And who are you to judge whether they had it coming or not, without the bias of your left-wing extremism?

And the thing about repression, you see, is that there's always going to be someone feeling repressed. I myself could feel quite repressed living in an anarchist state, albeit differently to how the anarchists would define it.

The thing about bias is that feminists now make the argument that the view of the marginalized is a much less bias position than those in power. True objectivity can't be reached except through a multiplicity of views but my left wing extremism is the truth for many people's lives. I'll side with them any day over the middle class European college student spouting off why they are wrong or petty. And before you point out that I'm just an American college student, my background puts me close enough to a position where I can see where they're coming from and I'm also not talking down to them as to what they ought to do but only supporting what I hope they choose to do.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:54 pm

Again with the nauseatingly glib statements about "national identity", I am think I am going to hurl if I hear another one. I thought only the US was a bastion for 00ber patriotic retards, and then I go to find the UK has them too. Yet another flaw of the right wanting to create a society of passive, flag waving, mono-cultural, unquestioning Americans, somehow they come across as being more big government cocksucking statists than any "liberal" I've ever encountered.

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Goat · **Posted:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:07 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12381612

Disgusting.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:25 am

Bad show, Mr Salmond.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:16 pm

What's the general opinion on prisoners being allowed to vote?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:16 pm

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

It's not just a war being waged on a culture or region. How our government is set up, a fragmentary collection of bureaucracies and private contracts, waging war becomes an instrument of private corporations who influence these bureaucracies and receives the contracts. Dick Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

It's interesting to read this, coming from a boy who, just a few months ago, was saying he's not averse to violence in left-wing demonstrations etc.

So violence can only legitimately further your cause, and no other?

Violence directed towards repressive institutions is different than against helpless populaces? Waging a war against Hitler is different than the violence in any number of third world countries being reigned down on the people by homicidal dictators?

The thing about violence, you see, is that there's always a party being victim to it. And who are you to judge whether they had it coming or not, without the bias of your left-wing extremism?

And the thing about repression, you see, is that there's always going to be someone feeling repressed. I myself could feel quite repressed living in an anarchist state, albeit differently to how the anarchists would define it.

Repressed by total freedom? What the fuck are you on about?

Speedyjx · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:44 pm

Goat wrote:

What's the general opinion on prisoners being allowed to vote?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12409426

They shouldn't, fuck 'em. If you break the law you should expect certain liberties to be taken from you. This is one of them.

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:20 pm

Obama supports the transition to democracy in Egypt. As if Mubarak was not America's remote controlled puppet for the last 30 years, with democrats or republicans in power. Fucking lying through their teeth.

Change? Some things never change.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:26 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Obama supports the transition to democracy in Egypt. As if Mubarak was not America's remote controlled puppet for the last 30 years, with democrats or republicans in power. Fucking lying through their teeth.

Change? Some things never change.

exactly.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:32 pm

http://bcove.me/6rinyru7

traptunderice · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:50 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

It's not just a war being waged on a culture or region. How our government is set up, a fragmentary collection of bureaucracies and private contracts, waging war becomes an instrument of private corporations who influence these bureaucracies and receives the contracts. Dick Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

It's interesting to read this, coming from a boy who, just a few months ago, was saying he's not averse to violence in left-wing demonstrations etc.

So violence can only legitimately further your cause, and no other?

Violence directed towards repressive institutions is different than against helpless populaces? Waging a war against Hitler is different than the violence in any number of third world countries being reigned down on the people by homicidal dictators?

The thing about violence, you see, is that there's always a party being victim to it. And who are you to judge whether they had it coming or not, without the bias of your left-wing extremism?

And the thing about repression, you see, is that there's always going to be someone feeling repressed. I myself could feel quite repressed living in an anarchist state, albeit differently to how the anarchists would define it.

Repressed by total freedom? What the fuck are you on about?

Saying anarchism wouldn't work is totally different than saying you'd be repressed under it lol.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:56 pm

traptunderice wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

traptunderice wrote:

It's not just a war being waged on a culture or region. How our government is set up, a fragmentary collection of bureaucracies and private contracts, waging war becomes an instrument of private corporations who influence these bureaucracies and receives the contracts. Dick Cheney, Halliburton, etc.

It's interesting to read this, coming from a boy who, just a few months ago, was saying he's not averse to violence in left-wing demonstrations etc.

So violence can only legitimately further your cause, and no other?

Violence directed towards repressive institutions is different than against helpless populaces? Waging a war against Hitler is different than the violence in any number of third world countries being reigned down on the people by homicidal dictators?

The thing about violence, you see, is that there's always a party being victim to it. And who are you to judge whether they had it coming or not, without the bias of your left-wing extremism?

And the thing about repression, you see, is that there's always going to be someone feeling repressed. I myself could feel quite repressed living in an anarchist state, albeit differently to how the anarchists would define it.

Repressed by total freedom? What the fuck are you on about?

Saying anarchism wouldn't work is totally different than saying you'd be repressed under it lol.

You should check out some of the videos of the user Fringelements on Youtube, while his views on anarchism are a bit pious, he at least attempts some defense of the untenable which happens to be anarchism

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 3:54 am

tbh i dont want to waste too much time on watching anarchist defenses. he'll probably frame it like chomsky so that no one can really disagree with it, i.e., their are negative authorities and positive authorities, positive=parental/familial structure for children for example and negative=coercive or exploitative relations. Hence by making it tenable you neuter it's shock value and it becomes kinda hard to not approve of which almost makes it worthless. I tend to avoid chomsky for these reasons.

stevelovesmoonspell · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:16 am

traptunderice wrote:

tbh i dont want to waste too much time on watching anarchist defenses. he'll probably frame it like chomsky so that no one can really disagree with it, i.e., their are negative authorities and positive authorities, positive=parental/familial structure for children for example and negative=coercive or exploitative relations. Hence by making it tenable you neuter it's shock value and it becomes kinda hard to not approve of which almost makes it worthless. I tend to avoid chomsky for these reasons.

He actually despises Chomsky, though he's also a tremendously pious extreme right wing goon, which is why I can't really stomach most of his videos. He's either ridiculing the sensible people who understand the need for government by calling them "meathead" statists, or tying himself into murky pseudo-intellectual comparisons with some obscure Bakunin-esque quote. You should check him out for the lulz though

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:58 pm

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:31 pm

I love Al-Jazeera more and more I see it. He did an interview on there and it was really good.

Edit: Oh my god, I just saw the blinking and that is so scary.

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:38 pm

Surprised you've not heard of them before, right old bunch of Commies. Good reporting of Middle East news, however.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:51 pm

Goat wrote:

Surprised you've not heard of them before, right old bunch of Commies.

I've heard of al-jazeera. it's the "enemy's news".

Goat · **Posted:** Sun Feb 13, 2011 4:52 pm

traptunderice wrote:

Goat wrote:

Surprised you've not heard of them before, right old bunch of Commies.

I've heard of al-jazeera. it's the "enemy's news".

Ah, you seemed to be implying you were fairly new to it above.

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