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Author:  hellraiser_xes [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  How do you guys treat rapists in your country?
In Malaysia, the laws are pretty strict and to some, sick. Rapists face jail terms AND cane whipping, where the cane is not your ordinary one. It's about an inch or more in diameter and the officer who's carrying out the lashing is a pro at it. All of the officers are trained jail wardens or policemen. These officers when drafted for the next whipping, immediately receives a 2 week break from his usual duties and those 2 weeks are spent in the gym to strengthen his strokes.

Here's a video of an actual caning session.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mLvnoX9 ... re=related

The rapists are normally handed out the jail terms and an X number of lashes. These lashes aren't carried out in one day. If it is 20, then they'll lash you 5 times today, give you a 2 week break, then another 5, a break and so on. My school teacher used to say 'They'll whip you so hard, your ass will be torn and you can't sit on your bum for weeks'. We thought it was funny, until I saw a few videos and pictures.

Rapists aren't the only ones who get whipped anyway, drug traffickers, smugglers and child abusers face the same fate as well. And quite recently, they're amending the laws to include poachers as well.

Anyway, are there anything like these in your country's judicial system?
Author:  OldSchool [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:45 am ]
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We treat them fairly decent, in the sense that we basically leave them alone. Just as we do with politicans and pretty much all the other thieves, robbers and murderers out there. We're extremely tolerant people.
Author:  hellraiser_xes [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:47 am ]
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OldSchool wrote:
We treat them fairly decent, in the sense that we basically leave them alone. Just as we do with politicans and pretty much all the other thieves, robbers and murderers out there. We're extremely tolerant people.


That isn't a good thing isn't it?

Apart from getting caned, rapists are pretty much in hell at jail. The jailbirds have their own status quo over there and rapists/sex offenders are the lowest. And they're constantly assaulted/abused/raped by the other convicts who sit higher in the jail society.

A footy friend's dad who was an ex warden told us that the 'others' would plot on raping the rapist and they will inform the wardens about it. The wardens on the other hand will inform his colleagues about what is about to take place, not to prevent the situation, but instead so that no one goes to the victim's aid. Child rapists are normally raped by 12-13 other men and the wardens just turn a blind eye on it.

Anyway, did you watch the clip? Talk about a ripped arse!
Author:  Kathaarian [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:50 am ]
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Our justice system doesn't have too harsh punishments against rapists, on the other hand our people are extremely intolerant against it. If the rapist's trial has become the news there's almost always an angry mob trying to lynch the rapist outside the court. The police always stops them from even touching the guy of course. But in jail, from what I've heard they are usually tortured and raped to death by other convicts.
Author:  traptunderice [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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My ass couldn't handle finishing that video. Rapists get tried like normal criminals in America. Once in jail, other inmates tend to abuse/rape/kill them if the guards don't stop them. Once out of jail, they're dehumanized by policies; can't live within certain areas, can't get jobs and several other policies which restrict their rights.
Author:  Thomas [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:19 pm ]
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Way too low penalties... it ranges from a certain amount of hours of community service (!!) too 1-2 years I think. I have friends that has gotten stricter penalties for fighting than rapists has. The court system in Norway is twisted.
Author:  Dago [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:39 pm ]
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Well maybe you don't have that many rapists in Norway, so they treat the very few of them as mentally sick persons and not criminals...
Here we burn them at stake!
Author:  OldSchool [ Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:12 pm ]
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hellraiser_xes wrote:
OldSchool wrote:
We treat them fairly decent, in the sense that we basically leave them alone. Just as we do with politicans and pretty much all the other thieves, robbers and murderers out there. We're extremely tolerant people.


That isn't a good thing isn't it?


No. Our judicial system is shit. Most of the judges are corrupt and criminals get away with everything because they simply buy them. Except the poor ones who can't afford, those are basically the only ones who go to jail.

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Apart from getting caned, rapists are pretty much in hell at jail. The jailbirds have their own status quo over there and rapists/sex offenders are the lowest. And they're constantly assaulted/abused/raped by the other convicts who sit higher in the jail society.


I never really understood this. Why is a rapist worse than a torturer/murderer/serial killer so as to be punished by inmates also? Let alone the fact that criminals distributing "justice" sounds totally absurd to me.
Author:  heatseeker [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:37 am ]
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Cane whipping? >_>
Author:  traptunderice [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:02 am ]
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The US Supreme Court just made it illegal to sentence child pedophiles or rapists with the death penalty claiming that the death penalty should only be for murder. I consider it bullshit considering rape permanently damages these people indefinitely while murder is rather finite and limited.
Author:  hellraiser_xes [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:18 am ]
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OldSchool wrote:
hellraiser_xes wrote:
OldSchool wrote:
We treat them fairly decent, in the sense that we basically leave them alone. Just as we do with politicans and pretty much all the other thieves, robbers and murderers out there. We're extremely tolerant people.


That isn't a good thing isn't it?


No. Our judicial system is shit. Most of the judges are corrupt and criminals get away with everything because they simply buy them. Except the poor ones who can't afford, those are basically the only ones who go to jail.

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Apart from getting caned, rapists are pretty much in hell at jail. The jailbirds have their own status quo over there and rapists/sex offenders are the lowest. And they're constantly assaulted/abused/raped by the other convicts who sit higher in the jail society.


I never really understood this. Why is a rapist worse than a torturer/murderer/serial killer so as to be punished by inmates also? Let alone the fact that criminals distributing "justice" sounds totally absurd to me.


Something I never understood as well. I guess they consider rape as a disgusting/heinous crime compared to murder. Do remember we're Asians, where pride and honour cancels out morality and logic. Heck people even kill their kids for disgracing their family honour etc.
Author:  OldSchool [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:08 am ]
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traptunderice wrote:
The US Supreme Court just made it illegal to sentence child pedophiles or rapists with the death penalty claiming that the death penalty should only be for murder. I consider it bullshit considering rape permanently damages these people indefinitely while murder is rather finite and limited


So murder is nicer than rape :lol: ? If these were your only options, you'd rather be raped or slaughtered?

hellraiser_xes wrote:
Something I never understood as well. I guess they consider rape as a disgusting/heinous crime compared to murder. Do remember we're Asians, where pride and honour cancels out morality and logic. Heck people even kill their kids for disgracing their family honour etc.]


Yeah, but this thing happens in all societies, not only in Asia. It happens here in Europe too, in US as well.
Author:  The Evil Dead [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:36 pm ]
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hellraiser_xes wrote:
Apart from getting caned, rapists are pretty much in hell at jail. The jailbirds have their own status quo over there and rapists/sex offenders are the lowest. And they're constantly assaulted/abused/raped by the other convicts who sit higher in the jail society.


I fail to see anything negative about that.
Author:  traptunderice [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:49 pm ]
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OldSchool wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
The US Supreme Court just made it illegal to sentence child pedophiles or rapists with the death penalty claiming that the death penalty should only be for murder. I consider it bullshit considering rape permanently damages these people indefinitely while murder is rather finite and limited


So murder is nicer than rape :lol: ? If these were your only options, you'd rather be raped or slaughtered?
Murder isn't "nicer" than rape. Neither are something I like to see happening. I just feel that both are worthy of the death penalty if you're going to use it at all.

Most murders are quick and impersonal. There are very few murders done in the same vein as a CC song. Rape is personal, longer lasting and emotionally scarring. Rape is always in the same vein as a CC song.

With complete seriousness, I'd rather a child be killed than raped. As a child, rape completely morphs your outlook on life. As an adult, my mental state wouldn't be completely jaded if I was raped but children are at a much more fragile state of mind. As for your question, I don't know if whether I'd rather be killed or raped.
Author:  Dago [ Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:51 pm ]
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How about raping and then killing, is that the worst thing ever?
Author:  traptunderice [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:35 am ]
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Dago wrote:
How about raping and then killing, is that the worst thing ever?
Killing someone after raping them is sparing them the emotional torment they'll feel for the rest of their lives.
Author:  Caligula_K [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:58 am ]
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traptunderice wrote:
Dago wrote:
How about raping and then killing, is that the worst thing ever?
Killing someone after raping them is sparing them the emotional torment they'll feel for the rest of their lives.


Though there is no question in my mind that rape can, and does most of the time, impact the victim horribly and completely alter the course of their lives, I think you're overdoing it slightly. I have spoken to rape victims; not all of them are in the always tormented, can't get over it mindset. IMO it seems that this type of behaviour is projected by society as to how a rape victim should behave; but I've heard a few (both that I've met and read articles about) say that they simply.. got over it. This is once again not to suggest that rape isn't completely horrible in every way and can affect victims very badly, but a rape victim is not automatically tormented for the rest of their life.

I also think you undervalue the emotional impact of murder on the family/friends of the victim. That being said, I don't advocate the death penalty for anyone. In any case, most rape trials are not the "knifeman waiting in an alley" or "old man molests five year old" scenarios- the vast, vast majority of them (I think my law professor put it at somewhere around 90% in Canada) involve drunken people at a party and someone not hearing the word no and other not quite so clear cut situations. Though of course these can be horrible situations, I'm not convinced that they're worse than a murder.
Author:  noodles [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:38 am ]
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traptunderice wrote:
Dago wrote:
How about raping and then killing, is that the worst thing ever?
Killing someone after raping them is sparing them the emotional torment they'll feel for the rest of their lives.


wat
Author:  Legacy Of The Night [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:40 am ]
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traptunderice wrote:
Dago wrote:
How about raping and then killing, is that the worst thing ever?
Killing someone after raping them is sparing them the emotional torment they'll feel for the rest of their lives.


So THAT'S your excuse. You devil. :wink:
Author:  OldSchool [ Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:06 pm ]
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traptunderice wrote:
With complete seriousness, I'd rather a child be killed than raped.


But would you have your child be killed rather than raped?
But let's keep the comparison to the standard crime: simple adult rape vs simple adult murder. I mean adult victims. Otherwise, if you'll use some child rapist in order to enhance the hideous nature of rape, I will present Albert Fish and win instantaneously.

So, speaking of adults, like Brahm said, many (or maybe most?) rape victims eventually get over it, at least to some extent. On the other hand, one can't very well recover from being murdered, can he? This is why murder is worse than rape and there's no way you can reasonably argue the contrary. And there are other things I find to be worse than rape, like mutilation (especially facial disfigurement or cutting off someone's limbs). And herein lies the irony of this jail tradition: people guilty of these things take it onto themselves to punish others, guilty by a lesser crime (by comparison). And we're supposed to applaud? :)
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