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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:55 am ] |
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I am in no way attempting to open up a flurry of racial slurs, but after reading a bit about the Minnesota Transracials study I started to think. Does being born of a certain ethnicity predispose an individual to a certain limitation of intelligence, and does hereditary influence, culture, and the individuals own mind play a part more so? What is your take on the study or the question itself, do you find a common factor between race and intelligence, or is it just pseudoscience to you? |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:30 am ] |
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Well, studies have proved that the brain matter of negroes is a few percents less in size than caucasians, for instance, and their skull is a bit thicker. But that's just the logistics. Some other studies I've read state that south-east Asians generally have the highest IQ, followed by caucasians and then negroes. Meh. I'm sure I will be rebuked by trapt/rio/Goat/etc. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:43 am ] |
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I dont think your off by much in my opinion, but I question how the integrity of these studies belay that of an individuals mind. If it's science it's hard to dispute without testing it's merits with other tests, but I think there is some substance to their claims. Though myself being a minority it doesn't phase me in anyway, it's just something I wanted to ask. |
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| Author: | ganeshaRules [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:03 am ] |
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| Author: | Adveser [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:07 pm ] |
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There are usually cultural and environmental factors that overcome race in nearly every respect, if it even has any influence at all. How many white trash savants are going to Harvard this year? |
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| Author: | Goat [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 2:18 pm ] |
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It's not the argument itself that I find objectionable (although I can't believe than any minute differences between brain sizes matters to a great deal - surely like Adveser says, the cultural etc factors matter far more) but the reasoning that it leads to, and what people want to do as a result. Funny topic to be obsessed by. |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:56 pm ] |
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ganeshaRules wrote: |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:39 pm ] |
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traptunderice wrote: The amount of genetic material which actually is affected by race is .0001 % of the the 99.8% of genetic material which all humans share. And we share 98.something of our genetic material with chimpansees, right? ;) traptunderice wrote: Differences amongst IQ scores and any kind of demonstrative evidence has probably more to do with the construction of the test or experiments or socio-economic and cultural factors.
That implies a distribution of differing talents or aptitudes according to race, doesn't it? And that our idea of intelligence is narrow and Western-culturally biased? Any thoughts on how Asians would be able to top those studies then? And socio-economic and cultural factors? I can't find the study anymore, but I'm pretty sure it took a decent cross-section of the various races from many segments of their societies. I mean, of course you're going to get wonky results if you compare Chinese coal miners' IQ with that of black universitarians and caucasian hicks. The question remains to what degree those factors can be weeded out of a representative test. |
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| Author: | North From Here [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:54 pm ] |
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Karmakosmonaut wrote: traptunderice wrote: The amount of genetic material which actually is affected by race is .0001 % of the the 99.8% of genetic material which all humans share. And we share 98.something of our genetic material with chimpansees, right? ;) traptunderice wrote: Differences amongst IQ scores and any kind of demonstrative evidence has probably more to do with the construction of the test or experiments or socio-economic and cultural factors. That implies a distribution of differing talents or aptitudes according to race, doesn't it? And that our idea of intelligence is narrow and Western-culturally biased? Any thoughts on how Asians would be able to top those studies then? And socio-economic and cultural factors? I can't find the study anymore, but I'm pretty sure it took a decent cross-section of the various races from many segments of their societies. I mean, of course you're going to get wonky results if you compare Chinese coal miners' IQ with that of black universitarians and caucasian hicks. The question remains to what degree those factors can be weeded out of a representative test. What kind of Asians are we talking about here? It's such an absurd, blanket term that covers more than half the world's population. SE Asians as in Thai, Burmese, Vietnamese? One thing I find amusing in America is how East Asians will basically do all the activities that white people will do, from golf to poker. Granted, economic factors are at play, and I have no conclusion to make from this observation. Then of course, you have huge swaths of dorky white American guys who become obsessed with Anime, J-Rock, and of course the idea of Asian women. 
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:01 pm ] |
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South-East Asians was the demographic, I think. Which is still huge of course. |
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| Author: | GeneralDiomedes [ Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:50 am ] |
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There is still far more genetic variation within races than between races. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:02 am ] |
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Hmmm... |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:48 am ] |
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Karmakosmonaut wrote: traptunderice wrote: The amount of genetic material which actually is affected by race is .0001 % of the the 99.8% of genetic material which all humans share. And we share 98.something of our genetic material with chimpansees, right? ;) traptunderice wrote: Differences amongst IQ scores and any kind of demonstrative evidence has probably more to do with the construction of the test or experiments or socio-economic and cultural factors. That implies a distribution of differing talents or aptitudes according to race, doesn't it? And that our idea of intelligence is narrow and Western-culturally biased? |
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| Author: | noodles [ Sat Oct 09, 2010 7:39 pm ] |
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evolutionary psychology is lol |
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| Author: | The Evil Dead [ Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:35 pm ] |
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Hey there was a reason why I copied off the Asian kids in highschool. |
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| Author: | DevotedWalnut [ Sun Oct 10, 2010 5:27 pm ] |
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And there was a reason why I locked my cardoors when I found out we had Negros at my high school. |
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| Author: | stevelovesmoonspell [ Sun Oct 10, 2010 7:29 pm ] |
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DevotedWalnut wrote: And there was a reason why I locked my cardoors when I found out we had Negros at my high school.
you only locked them when you had them in the backseat to engage in sodomy with them. |
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| Author: | traptunderice [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:26 am ] |
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noodles wrote: evolutionary psychology is lol Erm I sometimes really like it but it is so bogus.
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| Author: | The Evil Dead [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:34 am ] |
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Speaking of black people has anyone known any that were metalheads? |
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| Author: | Legacy Of The Night [ Mon Oct 11, 2010 2:07 am ] |
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Yes. |
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