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| Author: | dead1 [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:21 am ] |
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Here's an interesting case happening here in Australia in my home town. Young chap stalks girls on Facebook. He convinces them to meet up with him and then rapes them. First one happens - he is arrested and then bailed. This case is now at the supreme court. Second and third one happen - he is arrested and then bailed. One of the girls is a friend of mine's daughter As he is walking out of the court room he is arrested for a fourth one as well as 8 counts of possession of child pornography. He is then promptly bailed back into the community. My wife works at the court and told me exactly how this has happened. She had to present documents to him and stated he was very, very cocky. He's obviously a sick predator, yet the wanker old farts (aka magistrates) think he is fine to keep walking the street. WHAT THE FUCK?!? When I was in Victoria 2 years ago on a holiday, every morning paper's headline was about how increasingly peadophiles are given suspended sentences for actual counts of child rape. That means they basically get a good behaviour bond. And in Sydney a few years ago, a group of Lebanese was given lenient sentences for serial rape of white women (they deserved it). The community outrage was such that they were resentenced. CONCLUSION 1: In Australia rape and peadophilia are ok. BUT MURDER IS OK TOO Case 1: 5 men kill a random guy on Christmas. One gets murder, one gets manslaughter, one gets common assault and 2 get let off. The 2 that got off almost immediately tried to kill another man. Case 2: A tourist is murdered and robbed at a caravan park. Killers get 1-3 years. Case 3: One guy dares another guy to run over a pedestrian. Driver runs over pedestrian and then reverses over them. 3 year jail sentence. MURDER IS BAD WHEN IT'S A WOMAN THOUGH. A prominent doctor disappeared one nigt on his yacht. His wife is convicted and sentenced to 25 years. But even in the judge's summary, they admitted there was no body, no murder weapon and no other real evidence. The judge actually notes that the case is based purely on assumptions of which there is no proof. There was some blood. Guy could've hit his head and fallen into the water and drowned. CONCLUSION 2: In Australia murder is perfectly acceptable unless it's one of the presiding judge's drinking buddies. I envy the Chinese. They're brutal fuckers but I'd much prefer the government riddling some scmubag with bullets than the scumbags walking around doing as they please. It's a shame Aussies don't do lynch mobs. All of the above puke bags should be hung in front of the court houses to show the judiciary what we expect of them. |
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| Author: | AlexandeR [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:43 pm ] |
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You don't need a mob to lynch someone, kill him yourself. |
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| Author: | Bruce_Bitenfils [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:02 pm ] |
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I can hear that, we have the same kind of crap here. Killers/rapists (hell, often both) sentenced to a couple of nanoseconds behind bars, then freed. And then, sooner or later, they commit another offence of the same kind. I'm alright with the idea of "second chance", but we're talking about people who are obviously fucked up in their head. If you're fucked up AND you're dangerous, you can't be left alone in the wild. It is just not possible. |
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| Author: | Cú Chulainn [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:03 pm ] |
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| Author: | Goat [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:29 pm ] |
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Those who are a danger to the public should be locked up away from them. Hard for anyone, of whatever politics, to argue with that. |
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| Author: | AlexandeR [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:32 pm ] |
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Locking people up is expensive, they should be annihilated. Especially rapers, kidnappers, and of course, killers. |
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| Author: | Goat [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:37 pm ] |
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AlexandeR wrote: Locking people up is expensive, they should be annihilated. Especially rapers, kidnappers, and of course, killers.
Except for the minor fact that the death penalty is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life... |
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| Author: | Karmakosmonaut [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:51 pm ] |
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Goat wrote: AlexandeR wrote: Locking people up is expensive, they should be annihilated. Especially rapers, kidnappers, and of course, killers. Except for the minor fact that the death penalty is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life... Got an article or study on that, Zad? Because that sounds ridiculous. |
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| Author: | noodles [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:14 pm ] |
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http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly.
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| Author: | AlexandeR [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:31 pm ] |
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noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051
Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha  ".
Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. |
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| Author: | Cú Chulainn [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:36 pm ] |
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AlexandeR wrote: noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha ".Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. Right, because the law is never wrong, and everyone accused of murder or rape everywhere has always been guilty. |
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| Author: | cry of the banshee [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:37 pm ] |
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AlexandeR wrote: noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha ".Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. This, basically. |
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| Author: | AlexandeR [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:43 pm ] |
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Cú Chulainn wrote: AlexandeR wrote: noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha ".Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. Right, because the law is never wrong, and everyone accused of murder or rape everywhere has always been guilty. No system is perfect, and obviously some innocent people would die, but innocent people is always dying anyway... but someone who is caught in the act of murder, or rape, or kidnappers, CAUGHT IN THE ACT!, they should be executed rapidly and without hesitation. There's no turning back for them, their mind is fucked. |
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| Author: | Cú Chulainn [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:47 pm ] |
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AlexandeR wrote: Cú Chulainn wrote: AlexandeR wrote: noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha ".Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. Right, because the law is never wrong, and everyone accused of murder or rape everywhere has always been guilty. No system is perfect, and obviously some innocent people would die, but innocent people is always dying anyway... but someone who is caught in the act of murder, or rape, or kidnappers, CAUGHT IN THE ACT!, they should be executed rapidly and without hesitation. There's no turning back for them, their mind is fucked. The state can never be allowed to risk executing individuals. That's insane. |
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| Author: | Afro_D-Shak [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:53 pm ] |
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You should just kill him yourself dead1, it's not like anything would happen to you. |
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| Author: | AlexandeR [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:57 pm ] |
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Cú Chulainn wrote: AlexandeR wrote: Cú Chulainn wrote: AlexandeR wrote: noodles wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/13279051 Quote: Studies show that administering the death penalty is even more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The intensive jury selection, trials and appeals required in capital cases can take over a decade and run up a huge tab for the state. Death row, where prisoners facing execution are kept in separate cells under intense observation, is also immensely costly. Well, the system is wrong. If I were a governor, the death sentence would be carried immediately, like in that crappy Stallone movie which name I can't remember. And they'll have only two options, decapitation or hanged. Why waste money in bullets or electricity, gases and inyections? The only way people obey the law is by being terrified of the penalties. Just like the monotheist tradition, "obey or you'll burn in hell for eternity, muahahahahaha ".Really, those 10+ years trials in death row, and the infinite quantity of appeals and shit, it's just a waste of money, time, oxygen, food... ridiculous. Right, because the law is never wrong, and everyone accused of murder or rape everywhere has always been guilty. No system is perfect, and obviously some innocent people would die, but innocent people is always dying anyway... but someone who is caught in the act of murder, or rape, or kidnappers, CAUGHT IN THE ACT!, they should be executed rapidly and without hesitation. There's no turning back for them, their mind is fucked. The state can never be allowed to risk executing individuals. That's insane. I disagree completely. I think it's necessary we go back to the old ways, there's so much crime in the world with total impunity. In some rural areas in México, people still lynch or burn rapers and killers publicly. In small towns, everything is more controlled because everyone knows everyone. In my natal town, a druglord who is a fan of the Knights Templar, controls the whole town, and they're always protecting people, executing (beheaded and tortured) the aforementioned rapers, kidnappers, thieves, and giving lessons in respect to public drunkards or people who sells drugs to kids. And I can see kids playing in the streets, and couples walking at night with no problems at all. Now try to do that in México City with its 20 millions habitants... |
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| Author: | noodles [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:08 pm ] |
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AlexandeR wrote: No system is perfect, and obviously some innocent people would die, but innocent people is always dying anyway
haha wow |
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| Author: | Goat [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:50 pm ] |
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Mexico's problems would be helped by ending the war on drugs, not by more public executions. I've always found it interesting how you guys conflate kidnapping to the level of rape and murder, too. Interesting how countries with the death penalty still have said crimes, in addition - it's simply not a deterrent. If someone doesn't care about dying, then killing them is no punishment. Locking them up for the rest of their lives, however... I agree with Fridge, anyway. Give the state the power to kill its own citizens, you end up with Soviet Russia at best. |
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| Author: | The Annoying Frenchman [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:02 pm ] |
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Some of the things I read in this threa made me nauseous, I'm sure you all know which. I'm so glad those who professed them are not in a position of power. That said, we should all know threads like this never changed one's opinion about death penalty. |
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| Author: | Milan [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:22 pm ] |
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The Annoying Frenchman wrote: Some of the things I read in this threa made me nauseous, I'm sure you all know which.
I'm so glad those who professed them are not in a position of power. That said, we should all know threads like this never changed one's opinion about death penalty. This. And that's all I'm going to say about this, exactly because threads like this are quite pointless. |
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