Metal Reviews

before I start, I'm in the backwards UK (where we likes the sheep) and we haven't seen seasons four and five so try not to spoil too much..

anyway, I just watched the first two episodes of season 4 via download, and.. what the hell? hahaha, is this a reaction to 9/11? jack shooting the hostage? muslims kidnapping members of the cabinet, beheadings broadcast on the internet? people watching FOX news at the train station? the liberal son being made to look bad and the interrogator asking him, "why, do you have anything to hide?" all in the first two hours?

bwahahaha, surely this is a conservative propaganda piece? the first three seasons were quite entertaining but this.. is.. the.. suxc!

Fox TV is behind all that... but if you just watch the show without thinking too much (like it's only entertainment which it is) it's quite good... I'm around episode 15 btw...

So far, the most recent season has been getting really good. Try to ignore the lameness of season 3 & 4. 5 is back to 1 & 2 glory.

Yeah there's some liberal bashing in season 4, but the show carries on to its more balanced view later on. Jack's being injuring hostages since day one. "I'm gonna need a hacksaw!"

I'll bet if it were "liberal" propaganda (subliminal anti-Bush/Republican/Conservative messages, etc.) you would be praising it .

hey I can admit that I liked the democratic president. but my politics are pretty insane, i'm not so easily polarized..

anyway I dunno, the message is a little too overt.

I'm republican... but socially liberal. I think theres a term for that, but I forgot it at the moment.

2 questions :
1-isn't that what Schwarzenegger pretends to be ?
2-are you old enough to vote, if so did you vote for Bush in the last elections and why, if not, who would you have voted for and why ?

just curious :roll:

I think that's libertarian..

Yea, libertarian is what I thought.

1-Any many who votes in a bill that restricts the sale of video games and restriction the freedom of artistic expression is NOT socially liberal.

2-No, I'm not. I would have voted for Bush. I don't have much time right now to get too much into it. In a nutshell, I'm one of the rare people who think that he's not that great of a president nor is he that bad of one. He makes mistakes just like many before him, but I think a lot of people blame him for way too much. He's an OK president. This is an unpopular opinion here, I'm aware, so I'm prepared for some ranting. Most Europeans I meet seem to hate him with an unbridled fiery passion.

I won't judge GW Bush on what he does in your country (I don't know enough about it to) but his international postures have been disastrous for the image of Americans everywhere around the globe... now everybody hates americans which was different when Clinton was president and would have been with either Kerry or Gore...
what I do hope is that Condie Rice will not take his place in the next election (better be Hillary Clinton)... :evil:

see how I managed not to bash you like Zad would probably have...

Bush is a criminally monstrous fiend that will go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever to have existed. The deficit is larger than Ted Kennedy's swollen head, we're stuck in a war that we started with the wrong country, Osama still hasn't been captured, Bush wiretaps whomever he feels like wiretapping, Americans are getting stupider by the day, and the evangelicals are raping the country like it was a drunken bar-whore.

If the ballot for the next presidential election is Condi Rice V. H.Clinton, I'm going to write-in Speedy Gonzalez in protest. If it's a choice between a conservative puppet and a vomitous traitor to liberalism, Speedy Gonzalez is the only answer. He would solve the obesity problem with his new 'andale, andale, ARRIBA!' school program, in which children run from comically large and vicious cats to lose weight in a true test of 'survival of the fittest.'

As for 24, I noticed quite an increase in the lib-bashing around season four, but it seems to have tapered off a bit now.

I appreciate it. I'm really not in the mood to discuss his international postures at the moment because I only forsee a long, drawn out, pointless debate.

I will adress that I believe the image of America stems from Americans themselves creating that image. We show very little respect for those we disagree with in this country. Democrats will exagerate, yell, argue, and sometimes flat out lie to make our president seem like Satan and it works. The recent fire the president has come over was even referenced in a newspaper in Iraq with an overall message of "keep fighting and killing Americans, because they are wavering". We are also too overzealous (my mom for example who is ultra conservative) with the whole patriotism and America rules shit. I'm proud of my country but it has just as many flaws as any other democracy. In the end, I believe both sides are at fault for America's poor image. Also. I'm not saying you are, but many Europeans who have jumped on this Bush-bashing bandwagon are also extremelly ignorant, stubborn people. Most, if challenged, will have little or no idea as to what they are talking about as if they are only repeating what someone else told them, rather than information from valid sources. Hell, Americans do the same thing.

I despise Hillary Clinton. She's someone who is a democrat but is socially conservative almost for the sole sake of gaining support. Rice is actually a smart, strong woman whom I would be satisfied with leading the country. She would make a much better leader than Clinton, anyhow.

Wow. How did I know that when I opened the thread on 24 I would find a load of bullshit. You could just smell it a mile away.

I gave up reasoning with people sharing your opinion a long time ago. Even if you do find so much fault with him, I would suggest truly studying America's presidential history. Bush is nothing compared to quite a few of them.

Man, this country is steadily becoming more and more a hateful, liberal society.

Out of curiosity, am I the only Republican on these boards?

I've studied history. When I say 'one of the worst presidents,' I mean like in the top fifteen. Warren G. Harding was worse, Lyndon B. Johnson was worse, Nixon was worse, Pierce was worse, Wilson was worse, et cetera, et cetera.

Liberal=hateful? This is new. Socially liberal is certainly not hateful. In fact, I have no idea what you mean.

Legacy of the Night is conservative, but prefers not to debate with anyone that I've noticed.

On the contrary, we're becoming more conservative. We're letting more and more public services become privatized, Bush won the last election on the strength of "moral values" (read: all the fat idiots in the south and the hick regions of the midwest decided to turn off Jerry Springer and vote for once 'cuz we can't let them gays git married), religion is slowly creeping into public schools, especially science classrooms, Roe v. Wade is being slowly eroded...seriously, where exactly are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket?

No

Many of our early presidents were bad or weak as well. Most presidents have had some pretty major flaws.

I did not say liberalism IS hateful (I agree with most of it) rather that we have hateful liberals. I know it is a bit of an oxymoron but it is true. They will hurl insults at anyone disagreeing with them more than any other political entity I've conversed with and are extremelly difficult to debate with. They will spout information off as "facts" whilest having little or no proof but rather their own assumptions, imagination, or just something they saw online one day. The attitude of many of these are despicable which actually both helps and hinders their support. Michael Moore has a huge following because of his controversy, but if the same people who praise him as a genius delved a little deeper, they would find a lot of bullshit. At the same time, a lot of people hate him because of his negative attitude towards... everything he disagrees with. Good causes are being driven into polar opposites because of it.

With more observation of my comment, I will say Carnifex is right in a way. I think that we are dividing more and more as a nation into BOTH extremes. So I should have also added "Man, this country is becoming a more unaccepting, conservative society."