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buzzfeed article on gentrification of black metal or something
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicahopper/t ... lack-metal

author seems to take the racist/homophobic part a bit too far. not a black metal fan at all, but i always thought of NSBM as a fringe genre within an already fringe genre.


Yeah, at least in western Europe the vast majority of bands (metal as well as black metal, I'd say) either don't have racist/homophobic views or keep them quiet. Even the likes of Drudkh make effort to distance themselves from it, really, and eg Blake Judd's views have clearly changed (although he was just arrested for burglary, so it's not his views that make him an arse, clearly...). I agree that gore lyrics are more disturbing than Rob Darken dressing up in a forest, too, but ultimately think people should make their own choice about what to listen to. Certainly there's enough excellent black metal out there from past and present that you can be a very active fan without giving your money to the likes of Nokturnal Mortum. Interesting that death metal and hardcore avoid the racist stigma, incidentally, despite there seeming to be a lot of RAC or punk bands that are NS, and eg Malevolent Creation writing a song about 'niggers' on their debut, think it was?


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i think other genres avoid the stigma because those artists also seem to make pretty shitty music that otherwise wouldn't even get noticed, while in black metal there are many names that are acknowledged for their music that are also openly racist or whatever.

also, while songs about rape etc.. are just as nasty, if not more, than racism or other such BS in black metal, one side is clearly joking (whether or not it's actually funny is another issue) while the other honestly believes in what it says - i think. didn't know about that Malevolent Creation thing, btw.

on the gentrification part, it is sort of notable. i think it was Valefor who called out some "neckbeard metal" bands, and now you even see Shining and Deathspell Omega getting reviewed on pitchfork.

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Who still uses "kvlt and tr00" anymore?

Didn't find anything special, unique or compelling about it, but seeing as how it's a big hit with the neckbeard set, I might have known.


"post" this, "post" that... fucking neckbeard metal.
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http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/view ... ard#441958

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Basically, to Buzzfeed and dudes who listen to Belle and Sebastian, Burzum is black metal while I think that if you ask a dude who listens to metal as a whole, it is Mayhem or Emperor alongside Burzum, diversifying it immediately to get it away from the NS label quickly enough.

That article brings up a point that fucks me over in my research. Why the fuck are hipsters buying Burzum? Ugh. Now I have to make an argument that hipsters ruin everything, consumption as an ideological force can handle the consumption of ugly aesthetics, and that if hipsters were around back then they would have been really into Schoenberg. Alternative culture has no refuge from the market any longer. Fuck me.

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Perhaps to feel anachronistic and or distinct from other people? I don't know looking at the loser from Liturgy it makes me wonder what possible good these outside homos get listening to the music. They should be sucking each stroking each other off listening to Death Grips, and taking pictures of Pabst cans while they drink a cup of starbucks. Fuck em.

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listening to Death Grips
I kinda love Death Grips though.

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i get the impression that death grips (and tyler, the creator and dalek and others) are to hip hop/metal fans what burzum seems to have become to metal/other genre fans.

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Nickelback666 wrote:
listening to Death Grips
I kinda love Death Grips though.


No idea who they are! Steve talking about Papst and Starbucks was hilarious though. These people do ruin everything though, agreed, fuck em.

Anyway, the article predictably misses the point by making Burzum and Varg the keystone to black metal, as trapt already mentioned. Calling Bard Faust a sociopath is a also predictably uninformed, as far as I know he was caught up in some very dangerous and stupid thinking as a youngster, did something egregious, and has been trying to make amends ever since. I'm not sure how sociopathic Euronymous was either.

Also, quite cute that Andeeeee Connors labels the political beliefs of the bands so no one gets hurt :lol:


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listening to Death Grips
I kinda love Death Grips though.


No idea who they are!
Correct that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTLaowNxVpA

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Anyway, the article predictably misses the point by making Burzum and Varg the keystone to black metal, as trapt already mentioned. Calling Bard Faust a sociopath is a also predictably uninformed, as far as I know he was caught up in some very dangerous and stupid thinking as a youngster, did something egregious, and has been trying to make amends ever since. I'm not sure how sociopathic Euronymous was either.

Also, quite cute that Andeeeee Connors labels the political beliefs of the bands so no one gets hurt :lol:
Faust seems a rather nice dude these days. I feel bad for him getting lumped in with Varg. And yes, a rather small number of bands being associated with a particular ideology labels everyone that makes anything of that nature the same! People are surprised by left wing black metal, but it's a genre that bounces from extremes. And something worthy of note in a discussion like this. And I don't think left wing bands are a result of hipsters trying to vampirically suck the life force from our angst. Panopticon and Deafheaven are two separate results from the influence of post rock on black metal. Panopticon's Austin Lunn is an old crust punk dude, not comparable to Deafheaven who are more like Shining (Nor) in suave slickness. When I presented at a conference last spring, somebody asked the question: are there any black metal bands that support more moderate forms of politics as opposed to NS or anarchist-socialism? I responded with it's called extreme metal for a reason. And if someone is a moderate liberal/conservative; they are probably emphasizing something else in their musical content a la Satanism or outer space or metaphysics, etc.

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Someone needs to take an axe to the head of the Deafheaven vocalist, just one look at his Hitler jugend haircut and contrived movements on stage makes me wish he and Manowar could be round up and forced onto a rocket bound for a black hole.

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He's like "Alright Mic my mouth is wide open" I'm going to pretend your the Shining vocalist's penis!

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No disrespect to Nikolas Kvarforth, I hear he has a thing for Hoest.

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On second thought maybe there needs to be more room on that rocket

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQvhf5maWU

Proof Deafheaven is inspired by genuine black metal.

V would laugh his ass off and cry in horror at the same time

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Nickelback666 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQvhf5maWU

Proof Deafheaven is inspired by genuine black metal.

V would laugh his ass off and cry in horror at the same time
We've seen all that we need to see here. But seriously, how can you even try to act metal when you're playing shoe gaze? And that video solidifies for me what the difference between what they do and black metal. So thanks. I was kinda resisting that move, but yeah.

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No disrespect to Nikolas Kvarforth, I hear he has a thing for Hoest.

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On second thought maybe there needs to be more room on that rocket
Wrong Shining if you're making this reference to what I was talking about. And cool, metal needs more gays besides Otep and Gaahl.

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Otep aren't metal and Gaahl era Gorgoroth is shit

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traptunderice wrote:
Panopticon and Deafheaven are two separate results from the influence of post rock on black metal. Panopticon's Austin Lunn is an old crust punk dude, not comparable to Deafheaven who are more like Shining (Nor) in suave slickness.


Yes, and Panopticon not being comparable to Deafheaven is a good thing for Austin Lunn.

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When I presented at a conference last spring, somebody asked the question: are there any black metal bands that support more moderate forms of politics as opposed to NS or anarchist-socialism? I responded with it's called extreme metal for a reason. And if someone is a moderate liberal/conservative; they are probably emphasizing something else in their musical content a la Satanism or outer space or metaphysics, etc.


Here is where the hipsters/Brooklyn vegan.coms/pitchfork experts are missing the point. That article Azreal posted is a good example of this: these people are fetishizing the Norwegian second wave into something that for them, is the complete opposite of what they (meaning lefty indie cultured types) are supposed to like. It is taboo for them to enjoy this, so no wonder Varg is their fulcrum.

But I also think it misses the larger point of second wave black metal: that most of these guys were, and are, fairly normal dudes. The inner circle was a bunch of mostly wealthy kids from nice families in one of the consistently top rated places in the world to live. The rebellious phase took extreme forms. Their world got fucked up when the leaders of their clique engaged in increasingly bizarre and criminal behavior, and a bunch of these guys got caught up in it...without necessarily adhering to it. Varg (Euro is harder to read because he died so young, but he appeared to love music as much or more, as any bizarre ideology) was the outlier, not the standard.

The Emperor guys were also involved in what happened, and I don't see anyone claiming Samoth is a sociopath now. Ihsahn is a respectable music teacher, Bard Faust, based on forum discussions with him in 2001-2002 was a normal beer-drinking metal guy that had a very clear head in prison, not some raving lunatic. I heard Hellhammer was obsessed with porn...the Darkthone guys really enjoy beer, Garm bought a nice car with the money Century Media gave Ulver to record Nattens Madrigal but again, as far as I know none of these constitutes sociopathic or extreme anti-social tendencies. Satyricon, Immortal, Limbonic Art, Enslaved, etc. were even less 'extreme'.

Obviously there was a moment where serious stuff went on in 1992-1994, a few people were murdered or hurt, and some picturesque churches were burned, so the label of extremity is not unjustified, but I think it has also been heavily exaggerated. Varg can always be counted on to say something odd and the cycle will continue.


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http://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/d ... 58406.html

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hehe that made me think of the Pynchon article and then they mentioned it.

actually the whole article reminds me of Pynchon novels

also: http://joshbyard.tumblr.com/post/673937 ... -outpacing


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