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Islam just makes me madder every single day.
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Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Islam just makes me madder every single day.
http://www.faithfreedom.org
Author:  Goat [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:25 pm ]
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Doubtless the same could be done for everything from Judaism to Mormonism.
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:28 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
Doubtless the same could be done for everything from Judaism to Mormonism.


True. But I saw this one now. So I am now particularly pissed at Islam.
Author:  Kathaarian [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:32 pm ]
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Why does this make you angry?
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:35 pm ]
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Kathaarian wrote:
Why does this make you angry?


Because this shit is happening daily in a world that's supposed to be civilized. Sure, intellectually you're aware of all the violence everywhere, but to actually see modern pictures of this shit... Like that kid being hanged... Fuck.
Author:  Eternal Idol [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:47 pm ]
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The world is not civilized, and you're boderlining on being a bigot.
Author:  Goat [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:52 pm ]
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Fridge, I was shocked recently to discover that female 'circumcision' was still happening in certain areas of London. There will always be shitty people in the world. Taking it out on entire groups of people isn't the answer. What are you going to do, invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity?
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:01 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
Fridge, I was shocked recently to discover that female 'circumcision' was still happening in certain areas of London. There will always be shitty people in the world. Taking it out on entire groups of people isn't the answer. What are you going to do, invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity?


No, the Christians go first.


Look, I'm not a racist, but I find the religion intolerable, and seeing images like this that really bring it down to such an emotional and graphic level made me sick. The fuckers want to make Islam indoctrination obligatory in schools here, build a bunch of minarets and are probably going to start blowing up things if we don't let them (it's happened before).
Author:  Goat [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:11 pm ]
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Zad wrote:
Fridge, I was shocked recently to discover that female 'circumcision' was still happening in certain areas of London. There will always be shitty people in the world. Taking it out on entire groups of people isn't the answer. What are you going to do, invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity?


No, the Christians go first.


Look, I'm not a racist, but I find the religion intolerable, and seeing images like this that really bring it down to such an emotional and graphic level made me sick. The fuckers want to make Islam indoctrination obligatory in schools here, build a bunch of minarets and are probably going to start blowing up things if we don't let them (it's happened before).


Oh my. "I'm not a racist but..." Dear me.

Either ban all religious instruction for children, or none. I quite like the architecture on mosques. And yes, Fridge, all Muslims blow things up. :rolleyes:

I love how you're all leftie-commie until you see a few horrible pictures. Proof conclusive that under-18's should never, ever get the vote. EVER
Author:  Kathaarian [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:15 pm ]
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Well you're not racist but you're directing your hate towards a certain group of people, which is wrong. I think that the Arab lands are the shithole of the world too, but chances are it would be exactly the same without the religion. If you look at history you'll see that Arabia after Islam was even more civilized than the west, but something somewhere went very wrong and they are stuck in hundreds of years ago.

I'm not defending Islam, we're going through hell trying to keep the religion and the state separate these in my country days. It's just that some people are bigoted idiots who don't know what's best for them. They like to remain ignorant and not think for themselves because life is much easier this way. Violence and hate against these people takes you down to the same level as them.
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:19 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Zad wrote:
Fridge, I was shocked recently to discover that female 'circumcision' was still happening in certain areas of London. There will always be shitty people in the world. Taking it out on entire groups of people isn't the answer. What are you going to do, invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity?


No, the Christians go first.


Look, I'm not a racist, but I find the religion intolerable, and seeing images like this that really bring it down to such an emotional and graphic level made me sick. The fuckers want to make Islam indoctrination obligatory in schools here, build a bunch of minarets and are probably going to start blowing up things if we don't let them (it's happened before).


Oh my. "I'm not a racist but..." Dear me.

Either ban all religious instruction for children, or none. I quite like the architecture on mosques. And yes, Fridge, all Muslims blow things up. :rolleyes:

I love how you're all leftie-commie until you see a few horrible pictures. Proof conclusive that under-18's should never, ever get the vote. EVER


Dammit, I'm not a racist! I'm against certain religions, which are organizations, ideas, but not races.

And when I say 'they', I mean the extremist wackos calling for Switzerland to go under Sharia law. Even I know most muslims don't blow things up.

And I am lefty, which implies keeping religious indoctrination out of public schools, Sharia law in the shithole where it belongs, and pointless violence in the past.
Author:  Astaroth [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:01 pm ]
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just as there are many ppl who can't seperate a rainy or hot day from global warming, many can't seperate a single culture or acts done by individuals from an entire religion.

I don't think Islam is any worse in it's nature than other religions, but in the hands of the wrong ppl it is. If the middle east was christian it probably would look the fucking same. No booze, women, free will or freedom of speech, it's all in the ten commandments - sort of. It's rather fun to see how certain ppl always start quoting certain passages of the Koran showing how violent it can be when they debate, but i can find the almost exact same passages in the bible - kill ze infidels. Kill naughty children ( i'm not even kidding), work on a sunday - and thou shall die

i saw an interesting program the other day, btw. In Iran, supossely one of the worst countries when it comes to islamism, have a youth full of progressive thinking that points back to the past where you didn't have islamists ruling the country, even from young religous muslims. It was also "fun" to see that they saw the same garbage movies and heard the same crappy music as the rest of the civilized world. And despite one might think, they also have female leaders, at least in the business world. There were still a lot of tabus and shit in the country though.

one day even the middle east will give in to globalization. Funny enough, i have been against globalization for a long time, but when it comes to the middle east don't think it's a bad idea.
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:05 pm ]
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Why do you all think I find Christianity fine? I don't, I hate the religion of Christ with a passion, but acts of this level of violence are no longer committed under Christian 'law'.
Author:  Goat [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:08 pm ]
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
Why do you all think I find Christianity fine? I don't, I hate the religion of Christ with a passion, but acts of this level of violence are no longer committed under Christian 'law'.


The death penalty in America? :rolleyes: Srsly, Fridge, what's with the sudden about-face?
Author:  Cú Chulainn [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:11 pm ]
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Zad wrote:
FrigidSymphony wrote:
Why do you all think I find Christianity fine? I don't, I hate the religion of Christ with a passion, but acts of this level of violence are no longer committed under Christian 'law'.


The death penalty in America? :rolleyes: Srsly, Fridge, what's with the sudden about-face?


What "about-face"? Goddammit, I've never made it a secret that I despise both Islam and Christianity (although I never actually made the connection between Christianity and the death penalty in some US states- thanks for that^^ ), but the point I'm making is that on a graphic level Islam is more worrying now than Christianity. You're not gonna get your hands chopped off if you're caught boozing in public in Europe or even the US. There was a very interesting article in an italian newspaper some time ago that suggested we take Christian ethics to heart as the lesser of two evils... Needless to say, I disagree, but the point is still valid.
Author:  Astaroth [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:19 pm ]
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FrigidSymphony wrote:
You're not gonna get your hands chopped off if you're caught boozing in public in Europe or even the US.


no, you'd get shot in the attempt :wink:


and if you're referring to suicide-bombs, well, terrorism has always been methods of the weak. Suicide-bombs was btw, invented by Anarchist in the 19th centery in Russia if i'm not mistaking, and has been used since then even by terrorist groups in europe, where the most well-known group is IRA, a bounch of catholic freedom fighters who killed alot of civilians too.
I think accusing islam itself for the all the violence is too easy. And yes, i know it's mainly religious maniacs, but still. I think it's more interesting too see what their cultural background is. As i see it, these maniacs where brought up to be stupid and ignorant.
Author:  Thomas [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:15 pm ]
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WELL.... Hate is a quite strong word.. I have both muslim and christian friends, and their all perfectly normal.. Dont judge a book by its cover. Media blows everything up way more than they should. There are more peaceful muslims than extremists.
Author:  Astaroth [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:08 pm ]
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metal_xxx wrote:
WELL.... Hate is a quite strong word.. I have both muslim and christian friends, and their all perfectly normal.. Dont judge a book by its cover. Media blows everything up way more than they should. There are more peaceful muslims than extremists.


unfortunately, peaceful muslims doing nothing is not very interesting to write about, nor does it sell newspapers
Author:  Dylan@Metalreviews [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:14 pm ]
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I'd be just as inclined to respect an extremely anti-islam site, as I would an extremely pro-islam site. The guy who wrote that intro on the main page sounds like a nut. Taking an excerpt from the paragraph:
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end this culture of hate caused by their "us" vs. "them" ethos and embrace the human race in amity.

Right after he criticizes them for having an "us" versus "them" attitude, he says:
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We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate.
Eradication? I wonder what he means by that.
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Islam can't be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can't be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid but brittle. That is why Muslims do not tolerate criticism of it.
I really wish this guy would use words like "some" or "few" or "most" instead of just saying "Muslims" like he knows every one of them.

The point is, almost every religious group has done horrible things. Atheists included. The only time you should use the word "eradicate" is when you are talking about a disease, not a group of people who think differently than you do.
Author:  Anonymous [ Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:07 am ]
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The site is biased.

Look, I strongly dislike Islam, as with all religion. Especially fundamentalism. I cannot stand their subjection of women. But you should understand, as I, who am anti-religious myself, do, that fundamentalism is generally the radical minority. Islamic people that you meet in your country are most likely nothing like these people.

And even though Islam is responsible for horrible acts as of late, you need to zoom your lens out a bit. It's religion that's the problem. A few hundred years ago, the Christians were responsible for the crusades, which caused about nine million deaths -- not to mention witch-burning. The destructive religious behemoth is just taking on the mask of Islam at the moment, as it took on that of Christianity in the past, and many religions preceding. No doubt, it will change again.

So, perhaps your criticism should be a little more all-encompassing and understanding of the essential problem here. It's not necessarily the dogma or the people, but rather the negative affect that religion can have on society in trying times.
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