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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:14 am 
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I also think that any band (emo is the more likelier suspect) playing on mental issues like 'I cut myself, the world hates me, I want to die' just to make cash is quite repulsive.


I think that any band playing just to make cash is quite repulsive.


once again Metal has done the same with bands like slayer , venom being portrayed as satanists when in real life none of them believe in that. They simply do it to attract people's curiosity. just watch "Metal: A Headbangers Journey" it explains pretty much the concept of selling an image to sell albums. Metal is particularly good at that by the way.
Gorish hardcore covers works well in attracting people's attention as well..
And like mentioned before Metal lyrics are also playing on mental issues, doom metal is as depressive as fuck compared to emo, Death constantly talks about death, and killing and so on.

So once again blasting emo for the above quote by jurgen makes absolutely no sense and is basically hypocritical.


You aren't addressing the point that Jurgen made. I don't want to speak for him but I highly doubt that he respects the metal bands that do sell an image.

These are bands like Slayer, Dimmu Borgir, and Cradle of Filth--mainstream bands.

Where are the Leviathan, Evoken, Esoteric, Negura Bunget, Dolorian, Katharsis, DsO etc, etc, etc, albums being sold? What image is being marketed by these bands? Are you even aware of these bands? (Nothing wrong with not being aware)

And he said "playing just to make cash is repulsive", not "making cash is repulsive. I don't mean to come down on you hard, I appreciate your perspective on the board, but it is just foolhardy to claim that genres such as death metal or doom metal are primarily concerned with selling albums or marketing an image.

And I don't have a hatred of emo anyway.


I'm not saying all Metal bands do it, I'm simply trying to make a point that in any genre of music you will find bands that sell an image and that hating emo for such a reason is simply unreasonable because they have legit bands as well.

the second point I was trying to make was that while some "emo" may play "on mental issues like I cut myself, the world hates me, I want to die" you'll find the equivalent in death and doom.

I'm not a huge fan of emo trust me,but I do like some of the bands and I like bands from a lot of different styles for many reasons. I'm all for free speach but coming down hard on a group such as emos, for reasons as mentioned above is ridicule. Emos could do the same with metal and the list goes on. So why start a post just to trash a group of people?


while I agree that "playing just to make cash is repulsive", you can't honestly believe that any band doesn't want to make the most cash they could. All bands want to make money. The difference is some will do anything to make cash even compremise their intergrity. Some stick to their guns and end up being succesful. obviously the first type is the one that we all hate.

Hope my points do come across and get somewhat understood.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:36 am 
Everyone is selling something.


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Everyone is selling something.


+1

I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Emo is much easier than say Death Metal because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Fall Out Boy are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Cannibal Corpse on the Jo Whiley show!

I don't generally have a problem with Emo, and I retract my earlier statement that Emo are the likelier suspects to cash in on angsty issues. It is evident in all forms of music, although Punk-pop is the more likelier...

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I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Emo is much easier than say Death Metal because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Fall Out Boy are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Cannibal Corpse on the Jo Whiley show!

You do realize this is just as retarded as saying "I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Death Metal is much easier than say Emo because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Slipknot are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Circle Takes the Square on the Jo Whiley show!", right?


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mentalmark wrote:
I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Emo is much easier than say Death Metal because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Fall Out Boy are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Cannibal Corpse on the Jo Whiley show!

You do realize this is just as retarded as saying "I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Death Metal is much easier than say Emo because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Slipknot are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Circle Takes the Square on the Jo Whiley show!", right?


If I were trying to cite Death Metal's lack of popularity I'd probably stay away from mentioning the genre's most well-known band, too.


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noodles wrote:
mentalmark wrote:
I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Emo is much easier than say Death Metal because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Fall Out Boy are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Cannibal Corpse on the Jo Whiley show!

You do realize this is just as retarded as saying "I agree with a lot of the recent posts, but I also think the accessibility of Death Metal is much easier than say Emo because of TV/radio air play etc. I mean, Slipknot are always on the fucking Mainstream radio over here in the UK, yet I can't remember the last time I heard Circle Takes the Square on the Jo Whiley show!", right?


I'm closing one eye, now the other to try and figure out the point you're making...

erm...

Right, my bad for not being more precise in my last post. So to retract a bit and to clarify what I was trying to say. I was agreeing with the points made by grandbazaar - "Metal has done the same with bands like slayer , venom being portrayed as satanists when in real life none of them believe in that" and "in any genre of music you will find bands that sell an image and that hating emo for such a reason is simply unreasonable", Jurgen's "I think that any band playing just to make cash is quite repulsive" and Eyesore's point "Everyone is selling something."

The point I was adding was that Emo bands have mainstream airplay here in the UK, hence high street shops are more likely to stock those albums, therefore Emo is more accessible. You could walk into any UK store, like Woolworths, Tescos, WH Smiths etc, and be able to buy a 'Panic! at the Disco's/Fall Out Boy/My Chemical Romance/Funeral For a Friend' album, whereas there is little to no chance of finding a Cannibal Corpse, Emperor or GWAR album in those places (unless someone over here want's to disprove me!). In addition, those stores will sell Emo Albums at low prices. In physical retail, Extreme Metal can only, really, be found at more specialist Music shops and tend to be top dollar (I paid £22/US$41 for Cannibal Corpse - The Wretched Spawn).

Of course this sounds like I'm belittling Emo, not so. I mentioned that I do not have a problem with Emo, but I wanted to add that it is easier to access than the vast majority of extreme genres of Metal.

I know this will come across as facetious - so please add a pinch of salt - out of interest, does Cannibal Corpse get airplay on prime-time, mainstream TV/radio in Canada and are sold in all of your high street stores?

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Actually there is a radio station in Toronto (college radio though...) that does play all kinds of Death Metal. It's known as the Death Metal hour. And yes you can go to pretty much any store here in Ontario and buy a Cannibal Corpse CD. Even Wal-Mart has them, they just have big censored stickers on the cover. But I will agree that Death Metal here in Canada and any other kind of metal cd's are more expensive then say a Panic! At the Disco cd. I'm not trying to start any arguments over this, but here in North America, at least in my part of Ontario, you can buy a death metal cd at a store and if you search for it you can find it on the radio. I hope this made sense, it is still early for me.


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Panic! at the Disco's/Fall Out Boy/My Chemical Romance/Funeral For a Friend'

Those are pop-punk bands, not emo bands... my point is that calling them emo is just as ignorant as calling Slipknot death metal :zzz:


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mentalmark wrote:
(unless someone over here want's to disprove me)


I found Morbid Angel - Heretic for £1 in a Tesco bargain bin once. True story.


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Panic! at the Disco's/Fall Out Boy/My Chemical Romance/Funeral For a Friend'

Those are pop-punk bands, not emo bands... my point is that calling them emo is just as ignorant as calling Slipknot death metal :zzz:

So, four bands that sound nothing like each other are pop-punk or emo? I think you guys know very little about what you're talking about.


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I haven't heard Funeral For a Friend but I know the first 3 he named definitely aren't emo...


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Panic! at the Disco's/Fall Out Boy/My Chemical Romance/Funeral For a Friend'

Those are pop-punk bands, not emo bands... my point is that calling them emo is just as ignorant as calling Slipknot death metal :zzz:


My Chemical Romance is Rock, has nothing to do with emo other than being liked by most emo kids, so hence it is often mistakenly thrown in the emo category.


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As an after thought, (as I don't care about these Emo/Punk-Pop/Rock bands and don't want to get too heated in discussion about this), I reckon there are so many inane categories to classify music these days. I mean, twenty years ago bands like

Pixies/REM/B52s were alternative rock,
Maiden/Metallica/Motorhead were Heavy Metal,
Whitesnake/Europe/Poison were rock.

I know my categorising bands like I did above will get some retorts like 'Metallica were always thrash Metal etc' , but I'm trying to make a point that if MCR/Fall out Boy/Panic!ATD were just rock bands, Good Charlotte/Offspring/Green Day were just Punk bands, then how much typing cramp in the world would be saved?

(Jeez, I reckon I'll get it for this!)

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I found Morbid Angel - Heretic for £1 in a Tesco bargain bin once. True story.


NO WAY!!! :dio:

Now that must be the coolest place to live if that branch of Tesco reckons that it's customer area might buy Metal (I was an Iceland Foods manager for 4 years and know all about target areas-Really dull!)

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I found Morbid Angel - Heretic for £1 in a Tesco bargain bin once. True story.


Out of interest, where was this?


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I found Morbid Angel - Heretic for £1 in a Tesco bargain bin once. True story.


Out of interest, where was this?


Manchester. Prestwich branch. :P

Haven't seen the like since, of course, and this is a long time ago. Still, live in hope.


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