Metal Reviews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LHxpQeb318

this is awesome.


plus what Maul said.

that's pretty much what being, like, close minded is.[/quote]


Just because I dont like something that somebody else does it does not mean that I am close minded. It just means that I am selective. By your logic if someone records himself taking a shit into a lawnmower and somebody calls it music and I dont, than I am close-minded.

I'm listening to some Immortal Technique stuff on YouTube, and it's pretty sweet. I don't buy the whole "omg 9/11's a conspiracy" shit, but some of his stuff is absolutely brutal.

np: You Never Know, pretty honest stuff. I like it.

So the only reason you don't like it is because y'all think it's all about the bling and the bitches? Christ, talk about close-mindedness. I mentioned before:

Dalek - Very heavy, use noise samples. On Ipecac, the almighty Patton's label. Political. Good. Check them out. www.deadverse.com

Sage Francis - Very poetic. Connected to the massive spoken-word scene, which I personally find fascinating (and is intensely political - Bejamin Zephaniah should be your first port of call). Don't know any links, but look 'em up.

Rahzel - Alright, so the ego-thingy finds it's target here, but the guy has some talent - he makes his own noises, and has toured with the honourable Mike P.

I think the problem here is that people have forgotten that rap is basically poems read out to a rhythm. Dig a little, and look at it from that angle.

I'll just skip right past the seven pages of discussion and post my opinion.

The rap I've heard, and thinking about hip-hop here, is the worst piece of crap ever to be called music. It sounds ridiculous, stupid and yes i fully confess that most of my exposure to it is from MTV and the radio, meaning bling bling and stuff. I would kill myself if I had to sit through a week of it, that's how strongly I feel about it.
Also heard some Swedish rappers who don't do the silly 50 cent-style, actually rap about something meaningful, but it still sound like garbage from a musical point of view. They might just as well write a book. I want instruments and melodies for satans sake.

Oh, now I'm imagining Agalloch rapping on their albums, what a horror! I can't think of a place where rap would contribute to music, it sure as hell did not work for Linkin Park.

But it can't all be bad, can it?
I guess I would not listen to metal in the degree I do today if I only heard it from radios and TVs.

Why skip all seven pages and then ask that question? Quite possibly someone has addressed your question already. In fact, I bet many have.

To my defense it's 04:51 in the morning over here. Happy new year btw
Well alright, I'll start reading. Try at least.


Edit: Gah, listening to Nappy Roots from your links pin-pointed the problem I have with rap. I can't help but feeling that it sounds somewhat... primitive.
I'll keep digging though.

Edit #2: This was a very entertaining thread, glad I read it. thedirtyporthole has alot of good points, and I agree with most of it, although I lack lots of rap knowledge.
But come on, many metal bands try to be cool. Ever been to a metal concert? Of course you have. And if you are still not convinced: see Cradle of Filth for further reference

It also got me thinking about music as an art form. Writing poetry is a well accepted art form, but it just strikes me as a little lame to put a base beat to it and rap it, then call it music. But then again, tapping your fingers to a table could be accepted as music, so the question if whether or not rap is music is very hard to decide. I guess I will have to call it music.

None of the samples I checked out convinced me at all I'm afraid.
And I'm also afraid of Husker now.

Nappy Roots are primitive? What do you mean by that?

At least they are killing themselves as well as each other. Fuckin' muppets.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2759535

It would be like ghetto nascar... what a bunch of morons. Despite some rap being ok, I can't stand the rappers. Or the hip-hoppers.

No I don't mean that they are primitive, but their music, as most rap, sounds a little primitive to me. It's hard to explain any better. It sounds simple to me, coming from hearing wftpwn technical and brilliant music like Unexpect, Opeth, Arsis and you name it, to hearing this. Rap just don't hold that much artistical value to me. Same with techno and similar ejay-kind of music.
I can't go back to hearing rap after hearing classical, jazz and metal music, simple as that. Atleast not the rap I've heard so far, not to forget.
I know I should not be comparing musical styles, but to be honest it's quite inevitable.

And every metalhead is a grave robber and necrophile, aye?

and a sword wielding warrior, aye.

I guess my question was a bit rhetorical

However, humor aside, rap music and hip hop are very much about the non-musical social fashion of the genre. Rappers are obligated to dress and to act a certain way, because it's all part of the type of culture. Metal, however, is listened to for the musical values mainly, not the social ones. Although many people turn to to metal because of the "denim n' leather" or other styles, metal is also listened to by classical musicians and normal people who don't really belong to any style.

So is rap

less than metal!

But you see, it's like rap is the music listened to by a certain social class, whereas metal is listened to by people from different social classes and not restricted to race, ethnicality, or geographical locations.

I don't agree that rap is primarily about the social fashion of the genre, although it is certainly something more than music. It's a lifestyle much like metal can be. If you relate to something in a strong way it can take control of your life and give you purpose, and this happens with all the biggest styles of music. Rappers and DJ's spend every hour of every day working at their craft much like any musician does, and because hip hop is the biggest genre of music in the West right now there is certainly no shortage of competition. You won't walk into a career just because you wear baggy clothes and say 'yo'. And also I can't be the only one that is slightly put off when I see a metal band and they do an interview dressed in 'normal' clothes and say things like 'we're just regular guys playing music, man, there's no deep thought that goes into it.' I demand more passion and dedication. The whole image thing can go overboard (look at most black metal bands) but I still think music is a serious art form, and has the power to influence how we act, dress and talk. There are certainly rap artists out there who take the business side and image side over the music, but they are never any good, they just sell a lot. I may have lost my point along the way here, but I'm tired.

No, not really. You're just plain wrong on this one .

Yeah I don't buy it either. You choose music, not the other way around.