Metal Reviews

hypocrit is the right words yes... and he has extremely silly arguments to... like the one i mentioned. "Black Metal suck as music, because they burn churches"

I would have to say Tommy Lee.

his public denouncement of metal as well as being in one of the most visable metal bands around is quite a pisser to me personally.

Anti-christian devil-worshippers are laregly irritating to me, because they get in the way of real Satanic thought.

Oh gosh...

i've always been under the impression that real satanic thought was just nihilism (or it believes that "Satan" represents personal desires that should be embraced) that also does stuff to make fun of Christianity

Basically the gist of Lavey's writings were, Do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. Pad the rest of the book out with instructions on rituals and Christian bashing and there you have it.

Axl Rose for metal related music but Celine Dion gets my vote for the overall world of music.

well, i guess thats an unharmful view. Its deeper than all that, very much deeper. I won't preofess the rest is a secret, but it takes a great deal of study and understanding to achieve the kind of useful practical knowledge available.

If anyone wishes to truely understand its facets must do so at ther own peril. Look to official sources instead of hearsay from anyone else.

...and no its not about making fun of xtianity, its all about thier destruction, with a plan.

Wait, there's an actual secret Satanic plot to destroy Christianity? Really? Tell me, please, I've been a secret Satanist for years and years and no-one told me about that!

It is hardly a secret. The goals of Satanism are detailed in the pentagonal revisement.If you can see the common theme in these 5 steps, you'll realise what's really going on.

Anton LaVey believed at the same time that he is shocked christianity is still around as well as that they would become more inconsequeential as the years go by anyway.

But, yes, there is a more secret plan devised among his writings if you can put two and two together that ultimately leads to (although its never expressed that this is why all these ideas are there) Its like a puzzle really, and I've read Anton laVey personally address this plan, but there's almost no mention of these ideas from anyone else since. So yeah, that would make me believe its not really for public consumption.

Mate, I'd hope a secret Satanic plot to destroy Christianity wasn't really for public consumption...

Personally, I though Marilyn Manson was The Satanic Plot. Him and ACDC both.

well, marilyn manson's fanbase has a certain amount of baggage that is not very good for Satanism.


namely, they were mostly teenagers who didn't know what they were talking about and fans that thought joining the CoS was a good way to be a MM fan.

On some of the CoS's members message boards saying you got into Satanism because of MM is like saying "band me now, i have nothing to contribute to the conversation"

guys that know the man for real and not his stage personality like him very much, but don't buy into the character he has sold to his fans and the public.

I think Akercocke and thier brand of high-class Satanism is closer to the truth

since I mention them, I will mention they have publically endored the Church of Satan and The First Satanic Church (Karla LaVey's organization) on thier website, but apparently are freethinking enough not to subscribe to all the CoS talking points (which is much preferable to a "follower")

hahaha i cant stop laughing

its more amusing than the tokyo hotel picture you posted

Really, LaVey is to be admired, the man was smart. Really. But laveyan satanism isn't some deep, intense hidden occult thing, it's basically humanism with some ritual thrown in for provocative purposes.

Hey, I actually agree with Frigid on something! I've always thought Lavey was a pretty cool guy, but if you actualy read his writings it's obvious most of the stuff is being provacative for the sake of being provacative. He was merely trying to enlighten people to break the shackles of organized religion, and to tell people that being true to themselves is noble unto itself. He did believe in practicing magic rituals to get in touch with one's self and others, but that's about the extent of it. He also did not believe in hurting others, so this whole idea of him advocating some super secret society of Christian hunters is absurd.

It's a stupidified version of neoplatonism with some 'satanic' principles thrown in, principles that can be viewed as partly application of common sense, and partly forgiveness for human flaws.

No, I think I'll prefer Christianity to LaVey's satanism any day of the week. The former has a tradition of dogmatic silliness stemming from the world view of one and a half a millennium ago; the latter just disregarded those centuries of philosophic progress and created its own bullshit tradition to appeal to angsty youngers.

Speaking of angsty youngsters: What's your point about Marylin Manson fans and their desire to join the 'cult of satan'? They're just looking for a place to call their own, to have people they can identify themselves with, and that's exactly what LaVey's lowest-common-denominator paperback accomplishes. Or does it accomplish anything? LaVey lauds individualism in his work, yet proceeds to stipulate communal 'rituals'. What's the deal here? Are you fucking hypocrites, like the metal crowd for instance; so proud of your 'alternative' style of clothes and music and thoughts, while you just fall into a pattern thousands of other so-called 'free thinkers' have fallen into? Do you boast a proud, self-centred world view even as you huddle together with others during a ritual or a concert?

Fucking hypocrites.

I higly doubt that "angsty youngsters' were lining up to be members of the Church of Satan back in the 60's when it was founded. That's pretty much a new phenomenon stemming form bedroom Black Metal bands and Marilyn Manson wannabees "discovering" the Satanic Bible. I've seen a very in depth documentary about Lavey, and back in his heyday, the Church consisted of everyone from drug-addled hippies to wealthy businessmen. In fact, no teenagers were anywhere to be found. I'm not a follwer of the guy or anything, but there are alot of misconceptions aobut who he was and what he was doing. As for the communal rituals, that doesn't contradict individualism one bit. You can be an individual and still enjoy the company and achieve a sort of spiritual enlightenment in a group setting. One of the biggest points Lavey was trying to get across was that we can be ourselves and still find a common ground with our fellow man. It was the anti-thesis of Christianity, and that's why he called it Satanism. Christianity is about stripping away the individual and villifying anyone who thinks differently. Plus, Lavey's writings are just that, writings. Philosophical musings. In no way shape or form does he try to convince people that his ideals are absolute, and the very idea of labelling it a religion is laughable. I'm sure the man would laugh in the face of these idiots who take his words for anything more than face value. He wrote exactly what he meant, in plain black and white.

i don't now why the hell it is called satanism and not individualism?

And i don't think anything can bring christianity down... My whole country's laws are based on christian values... i don't think cults can bring that down in an instant.

I'll admit to having respect for LaVey's ideas, but if you actually go around saying "I'm a Satanist" you are a massive twat.

What does Christianity bring to law making that common sense and centuries of other moral codes not bring?

I couldn't get into LaVey's writings because it was a ripoff and rehash of other people's ideas. It reeks of simplified Nietzsche. Does anyone think all those atheist manifestos like the God Delusion, God is not great and Breaking the Spell being on the bestsellers list a positive or negative thing for atheism?

Kip Winger is the most recent person in music that I dislike. Wikipedia quotes himself comparing Winger to Dream Theater and saying that other bands were jealous mainly Metallica since they couldn't play as well as him.