Metal Reviews

Winger compared to Dream Theater? Pah. DT could never write a lyrical masterpiece like Seventeen. "Daddy says she's too young, but she's old enough for meeeeeeeeeeeee..."

Actually a recent poll showed that the average laveyan satanist is thirty, a doctor or a lawyer. Hah.
But yeah, the pseudo-satanists who "discovered" it through Manson... Ew. Luckily LaVey wouldn't want them in his Church anyway.

What do you think formed those moral codes? common sense or christianity/religion?

Man has a moral sense that is not dependant of any religion.

pretty much all societies were at one point based in a religion... I think society-moral codes-religion are all linked and you can't say one "caused" the others because they all develop roughly simultaneously

People don't even have a moral sense. It developed strictly out of the practicality of what I do others others have a right to do me. The golden rule doesn't require God to make sense.

As for a natural moral sense, we probably don't even have one of those considering how most people would kill people if it wasn't for laws and the punishment that trails them. Without laws, people would basically be barbarians.

As for religions incorporating moral codes, it simply solidified those laws in the heads of the subjects and followers making it easy to enforce. I wouldn't say that religion developed with society. I would link the origins of religion simply as a way of explaining the unknown but it could've been a way to enforce laws I guess.

Even though I was defending him just a few days ago, I find Rob Flynn annoying too. Yeah, you had a rough childhood and abusive parents. We get it. The thing is, you don't even seem like you're trying to overcome it. You're just going on being pissed off about it, without really doing anything to get over it.

I know Flynn's in a thrash/groove metal band, and putting his anger over this to rest would probably ruin his career (and I doubt he has enough money to retire). But still. Dude, it's time to let it go!

Here's my opinion on this issue. While I don't believe religion is essential for moral understanding, I do believe it can add more depth to it. Of course, I believe in the humanistic understanding of morality (we all live life in first person, we all want to be treated a certain way and must recognize that everybody else wants to be treated the same way, etc). But I also believe that we were all created in God's image and through His love. In other words, everybody was created equally and is loved equally by God. And everybody has a special purpose given to him/her by God (God, according to my personal belief, does not play favorites). So respect for humanity extends to also understanding that God loves the person sitting next to you equally as much as He loves you. And doing something to hurt the other person shows disregard towards the love He's given and instilled into the other person (which he/she deserves just as much as everybody else does), as well as the God-given purpose the other person (as all of us) constantly strives to seek and achieve.

I know this sounds a little sappy, but hey. It's my belief.

Anyways, I guess the Osbornes have to get my vote.[/quote]


Yes, I agree...

BUt, there's something to be said about James Hetfield getting over it and releasing a bunch of shit thereafter

Guys from Oasis (figjam kings).

Manson is universally ridiculed at a message board runned by a CoS Magister.

Interestingly enough, I was actually looking at the Myspace profiles for some teenage "LaVeyan Satanists." Many of them either dropped out of college or never went to college to begin with (I even saw a few that dropped out of high school, stating that they "found their own life path"). The fact that the average Laveyan Satanist is either a doctor or a lawyer definitely strikes me as interesting.

Then again, isn't one of the carnal rules of LaVeyan Satanism "don't be stupid"?

Yes.

Satanists hold all kinds of different positions, the vast majority look like everyday folk too, you'd never suspect. Eventually, people that turn out to be losers eventually get jaded and stop associating themselves with it (unless they are delusional) because it reminds them of who they thought they were going to be, but couldn't hack it.

There is no such thing as a Satanist under 18, because you can't join until your 18 or communicate with anyone who knows their asshole from a hole in the ground until you're of age. NOt that you'd have to join to be a Satanists, I never have, that may change, but there are aspects of things that are not for the public, not secrets, but thier not discussed either above ground. One would have to read the source material and piece things together for themselves and MAYBE they'd come to the right conculsions.

Sorry if that doesn't make sense, but that's how it is really.

It's a good thing there's an age limit, else all those kids would be running amok, sacrificing things, casting spells, getting up to all sorts of devilry...

There is a Satanic church in my county but it literally is underground. You have to enter a building and climb down a shaft. Any group of adults who climbs a ladder to their secret club I just can't take seriously.

Not too mention if you're ideas are so muddled and ridiculous that your basic follower can't get it right it is just bound to dilute and fail. People can piece Kant together and I don't think LaVey was a fraction of the genius he was so what does that say.

I don't know if I'd even really call it "humanism", since it doesn't have the whole "peace, love and understanding" mantra secular humanism has. I'd say another poster was correct in that it's more individualism with some rituals and anti-Christian propaganda thrown in. Really more of a philosophy than religion, if you really think about it.

Well, it's more about maturity. Kids tend to get into things out of emotions they grow out of

It is pretty straitforward on the surface, but it is also like a puzzle, once you put two and two together you get a picture of why they exist at all.

It is a religion because it has fantasy, dogma and philosophy. It just is not a political movement in the sense that many of different kinds of thinking co-exist. There's no arguing the finer points of life itself, somethign that has schismed other churches over and over again so that none of them really have any power and almost anyone can belong to them. Satanism isn't like that, you either are a Satanist or not, your stance on political issues is largely irrelevant.