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Now I feel like we've disappointed you :(

I do tend to think of music as playing with a bunch of associations that are in my head, rather than as making me part of something bigger. (Although the fun side is that it means the same associations were probably in someone else's head, which does make me part of a bigger cultural consciousness.) I wasn't entirely kidding about the metaphysics and swung eighth notes!


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Now I feel like we've disappointed you :(

I do tend to think of music as playing with a bunch of associations that are in my head, rather than as making me part of something bigger. (Although the fun side is that it means the same associations were probably in someone else's head, which does make me part of a bigger cultural consciousness.) I wasn't entirely kidding about the metaphysics and swung eighth notes!


No. It's alright. We'll all have to face the truth some day :P. It's really just a matter of opinion. People like Wagner and Beethoven had immense definitions of music which is not surprising in the least. I guess the spiritually comes into play very strongly in this thread.

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At this point I have embraced Italian Power Metal not because it "better" to my ears but for far more metaphysical reasons.

*Every sort of music other than Rush has felt like it was incomplete or sorely lacking in at least one area. The music I had planned on writing before 2004 was so close to Olaf Thorsen's work that I actually am certain I experienced preconception of knowing where I was going. I had a very spiritual experience when I heard this stuff the first few times. Within short order I had sung some of this stuff absolutely perfectly, which, at the time, was an isolated incident and my roomates thought I was channeling Satan that evening to do it. They couldn't believe such a talentless and annoying singer could nail such difficult material tonally and musically. That night I experienced time as a singularity that I could transcend and I believe I was simply going from the future and singing to myself to tell myself that this was the path to follow. This feat has been accomplished on a couple of occassions when I am at my most desperate hour and in real pain because of how things don't seem to be falling in place. I have had songs play in my head that I am to believe are my idea even that I did not have the technical knowledge to write the song. I learned by desconstructing such music. Anyone that is familiar with the lyrics these bands write knows that they tread heavily in this area and I had never heard any of that portion of their material. The material more or less told me "you were right and you are not alone." Without making this any longer, I have completely changed my mindset (which was a very long process) based on taking just one small tiny seemingly insignificant leap of faith because that was asked by the author of said lyrics. The music was so specific to the very complex emotions we have no words to describe that it compelled me, begged me and insisted that this was happing for that specific reason.


*I highly suspect I was an Italian singer a few hundred years ago which is why I naturally sing a half octave above a Soprano. There is actually ONE recording of a Catastrati in existence and I felt a huge surge of powerful joyful sadness when I heard it. I felt like I knew his very soul hearing it. It was extremely emotional. I suspect a few other guys of being in the same boat because of their naturally thick voices being used to hit the highest fucking notes imaginable and generally using a much higher timbre than their "natural" register would require.

In a nutshell, no I don't judge music based on taste anymore. I judge it on how it affects my reality and when I am welcomed to a far larger existence than I thought possible where people have the same feelings as me to the point of infinity. This goes way beyond the superficial bullshit culture metal has established and it's belief that it is a brotherhood of sorts when it is far from anything connecting two people other than the fact they enjoy the same note progressions and tonal options. This is something else. This was far more powerful than anything anyone can imagine. It was like being introduced to god himself and being told that at one point your souls were one and will be one again (ooops, that's the subject of two whole albums)




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Hah, good ol' Adveser. I love it.


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At this point I have embraced Italian Power Metal not because it "better" to my ears but for far more metaphysical reasons.

*Every sort of music other than Rush has felt like it was incomplete or sorely lacking in at least one area. The music I had planned on writing before 2004 was so close to Olaf Thorsen's work that I actually am certain I experienced preconception of knowing where I was going. I had a very spiritual experience when I heard this stuff the first few times. Within short order I had sung some of this stuff absolutely perfectly, which, at the time, was an isolated incident and my roomates thought I was channeling Satan that evening to do it. They couldn't believe such a talentless and annoying singer could nail such difficult material tonally and musically. That night I experienced time as a singularity that I could transcend and I believe I was simply going from the future and singing to myself to tell myself that this was the path to follow. This feat has been accomplished on a couple of occassions when I am at my most desperate hour and in real pain because of how things don't seem to be falling in place. I have had songs play in my head that I am to believe are my idea even that I did not have the technical knowledge to write the song. I learned by desconstructing such music. Anyone that is familiar with the lyrics these bands write knows that they tread heavily in this area and I had never heard any of that portion of their material. The material more or less told me "you were right and you are not alone." Without making this any longer, I have completely changed my mindset (which was a very long process) based on taking just one small tiny seemingly insignificant leap of faith because that was asked by the author of said lyrics. The music was so specific to the very complex emotions we have no words to describe that it compelled me, begged me and insisted that this was happing for that specific reason.


*I highly suspect I was an Italian singer a few hundred years ago which is why I naturally sing a half octave above a Soprano. There is actually ONE recording of a Catastrati in existence and I felt a huge surge of powerful joyful sadness when I heard it. I felt like I knew his very soul hearing it. It was extremely emotional. I suspect a few other guys of being in the same boat because of their naturally thick voices being used to hit the highest fucking notes imaginable and generally using a much higher timbre than their "natural" register would require.

In a nutshell, no I don't judge music based on taste anymore. I judge it on how it affects my reality and when I am welcomed to a far larger existence than I thought possible where people have the same feelings as me to the point of infinity. This goes way beyond the superficial bullshit culture metal has established and it's belief that it is a brotherhood of sorts when it is far from anything connecting two people other than the fact they enjoy the same note progressions and tonal options. This is something else. This was far more powerful than anything anyone can imagine. It was like being introduced to god himself and being told that at one point your souls were one and will be one again (ooops, that's the subject of two whole albums)


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not one of them believes and finds solace in something beyond themselves, something larger than life that can only be expressed through notes.


I think you missed the part, or I was too subtle about it. The one song "Versions of the same" in it's musical execution connected me through everything that was the larger reality beyond self. It was the starting point. The emotional connection to the music meant I wanted to explore what the lyrics were saying. The lyrics are pretty obviously saying the exact same thing. That is what I as getting at, the music itself does 1000x more talking than the lyrics and the lyrics are pretty damn exhaustively treading in that area.

I've made no bones about claiming music is a language that contains far more ability to transfer information than words and at that it can directly make you feel the exact emotions as everyone else who hears it. This was done scientifically as they imaged the brain and found the same music excited the same parts of the brain universally, regardless of musical knowledge, perception of pitch or any other psychoacoustic phenomena. Only the rare tone deaf are incapable.

See the music thread. I think you can't do much talking if you don't understand the language and so few seem to. I mean seriously, if you can trick your ear with Melodic minor scales and the tri-tone (devil-tone) in the middle of the scale, you can obviously do it with every single pitch. There is a reason we don't have 12 pitches labelled by very singular names, we have sharps and flats because they are telling you the pitch is not the determining factor of how it sounds. Although I don't read music, that is part of it, seeing how the pitches can sound like notes that are usually not relagated to.

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No I understood what you said in your original post, but it's as usual very pretentious **cough cough** pretentious **cough cough**

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