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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:23 pm 
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Most of us listen to recorded music far more than we listen to live music. Music is everywhere: in elevators, shops, cars, restaurants and bars, on our computers and, for some of us, in every room in our home. But what of the listening experience itself? Considering the Zen concept of mindfully doing one thing at a time, what pleasures await the person who just listens? Conversely, what do we miss when we degrade the listening experience? This roundtable will address the factors involved in maximizing or minimizing the impact and effects of what we hear, from the conception and recording of music to the listening format and environment of choice. In a modern day twist on McCluhan’s "The Medium is the Message," the panel will discuss the effects that music delivery media have on our perception and reaction to music.


interesting and long, and not condescending like i was worried it would be. they talk about vinyl vs CD and crazy hifi and listening and stuff. awesome.


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I use a lot of processing when I play back my audio and whenever I get where I can't listen to music in this fashion it becomes depressing. The music sounds like it has no life.

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This is pretty interesting. I don't understand all the technical stuff they're talking about, but I know what they're talking about as far as "feeling the album" is concerned. I remember listening to Dir en grey's Macabre on the surround sound setup we have downstairs, and that, out of all the times I had listened to the album before, was the best experience I ever had with the album.


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Too fucking long


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the biggest surprise for me is how negative they were towards CDs. i've always known that it was a mistake to think of them as the "ideal" audio quality, but they were just brutal towards them.

also now that i know what SACDs are i wish the format had kicked off


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I don't really see the argument anymore. Bands can and will eventually release studio quality computer files in some format.

I haven't listened to the show but I can tell you the benefits of SACD are blown out of proportion. A really good D-A convertor can do exactly what SACD does. Of course, people don't have those either.

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well, from what i heard they were calling them digital replicas of the master. i might've been hearing it wrong though.


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tr00 kvlt black metalhead: Sound quality? What's that?


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noodles wrote:
well, from what i heard they were calling them digital replicas of the master. i might've been hearing it wrong though.


They aren't right. SACD's do what CD's do, but better. They still aren't perfect because the sample rate would be astronomical to be anywhere near what a studio quality master is. I've never read anything that suggests they have an identical sample rate.

On that note, no format is perfect. They all have to dither the audio to fit on a media and deal with its limitations. All formats have standards that have to be met to work. Digital masters and Analog master tapes have no such requirements. Making a direct copy of the stereo mix is the only way your gonna get identical quality.

As far as Analog tape goes. You would have to create a new Digital master from the Analog tape, something that I'm not aware of them doing for SACD. The best system i've heard was the Sony Mastersound system of Analog to Digital conversion. Boston's debut was recorded on mostly over-oxidated master tape and the master sound version is still the best sounding CD I own.

The only way I see them replicating master tapes is by very slowly recording the original masters (when I say "original, I mean the 8th generation copy they have because the original only survives around 5 years before being put in the oven, baked, and re-recorded to new tape) then speeding it up with an incredible sample rate to make it on pitch. To my knowledge this was how mastersound worked. It just recorded the analog tape slower and in 20 bits instead of 16. We could easily record it at 32 bits and at less than 1/16th speed. Once we have that Digital copy, it would be easily to turn them into a lossless Stereo format. Even if they were turned into Wave forms and then MP3's they would be far far higher quality than anything we're used to.

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