Went back and listened to Worship Him. Definitely more Celtic Frost here than later on, but not annoyingly so. On a track like Morbid Metal
they speed it up which provides some nice contrast.
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| Author: | North From Here [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Thoughts on Samael? |
Been listening to a lot of their back catalog recently and wonder: Were they actually good? Definitely midpaced and groovy for 'black metal', I can't get through anything more electronic based from Passage onwards--crazy as Passage was one of the first albums I downloaded on Napster way back in 2001. Even Ceremony of Opposites has a lot of filler, some really good tracks on Blood Ritual though. |
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| Author: | Goat [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Thoughts on Samael? |
I need to relisten to some of the later stuff, but I think a lot of the industrial-era stuff has aged badly, whether due to production choice or otherwise (compared to the likes of DHG and Abigor's experiments, for example, although I am biased there...!). In Samael's defence I think they were one of the first groups to really embrace it as a post-black direction so had the early adopter problems - Kovenant's SETI wasn't out until '03, for instance. Everything up to and including Ceremony of Opposites is at the very least solid if not downright classic - it came out, what, two weeks after Transilvanian Hunger? - and they were very forward-thinking and should be recognised as influential... The downside of that is that it's very much to their detriment that they got stuck in the industrial rut, which I don't think has produced much that's particularly good after Passage/Eternal...? particularly when you look at other groups like Havoc Unit. I can't remember even listening to their last album, Hegemony, but I should give their discography another go overall - good thread! |
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| Author: | huskerc7 [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Thoughts on Samael? |
I've had some good times listening to Samael but I don't listen to them very often. Solar Soul has some good tracks on it. I used to listen to their black metal stuff a little bit but it was never something I had to keep coming back to. |
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| Author: | North From Here [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Thoughts on Samael? |
I think I agree with both of you generally. Samael's industrial stuff is basically just pop/rock unlike DHG or Abigor who were obviously doing a lot more, so it doesn't age particularly well. Solar Soul was one I liked for a minute too husker. Ceremony (and Blood Ritual) has some great groovy tracks, without sounding like Celtic Frost as you'd expect, so I guess they do deserve credit for developing their own style. Maybe that's why I brought them up because they were definitely unique, even if they weren't great. |
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| Author: | North From Here [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Thoughts on Samael? |
Went back and listened to Worship Him. Definitely more Celtic Frost here than later on, but not annoyingly so. On a track like Morbid Metal they speed it up which provides some nice contrast.
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