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Author:  Zeth [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:19 am ]
Post subject:  Another "recommend me some Jazz"-thread
Yes yes, I know, there's been a few of these before, but I'm more specific in my search. I'm not asking for general jazz, but more of the dynamic kind, so to speak.
I saw the end of a live show on TV a while ago and it was amazing. They had great melodies, high tempo and all of a sudden the drummer would go all out on his drums and play a f*ucked up solo or something, then the other guys would follow and solo on their own instruments and it was just balls out slaughter fest, but jazzy. Incredible. That's how I want my jazz, experimental, spontaneous and crazy, with lots of energy. Just can't remember what the names of the guys who played was...
Not some soft Miles Davis or Coltrane stuff, I want more explosive jazz. Does not have to be the jazz equivalence to grindcore by any means, but I think you understand what I'm trying to say.

Any suggestions, aye?
Author:  rio [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Another "recommend me some Jazz"-thread
Zeth wrote:
Not some soft Coltrane stuff,


:lame:

You should try Coltrane's later stuff- go for Ascension or Sun Ship or something from the mid 60s of his, then he will make you cry for calling him soft.

Also with Davis try his fusion era, if you haven't already. Go for Bitches Brew first.

I like your description but I'm not quite sure what you're looking for from it :) Do you want some scary atonal free jazz freakouts, or more melodic/catchier stuff that is also quite violent? The former is much, much easier to find than the latter, btw!
Author:  Misha [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:15 pm ]
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If you want explosive jazz, go for "Peter Brötzmann Octet - Machine Gun".

It's a 64 record of improvised mania that is so fucking loud is not even funny (you will not like it). It has three saxophonists, two bassists, two drummers and a pianist and all are going fucking berzerk on their instruments. This puts all your grind albums to shame in terms of loudness. Musicians are extremely skilled as well by the way (Brötzmann, Breuker, Mengelberg, Bennink play on this record, from the top of my head).
Author:  Misha [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:17 pm ]
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But what you are looking for is:

Electric Masada - At The Mountains Of Madness (double cd)
Author:  Zeth [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:58 pm ]
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rio wrote:
Zeth wrote:
Not some soft Coltrane stuff,


:lame:

You should try Coltrane's later stuff- go for Ascension or Sun Ship or something from the mid 60s of his, then he will make you cry for calling him soft.

Also with Davis try his fusion era, if you haven't already. Go for Bitches Brew first.

I like your description but I'm not quite sure what you're looking for from it :) Do you want some scary atonal free jazz freakouts, or more melodic/catchier stuff that is also quite violent? The former is much, much easier to find than the latter, btw!

Ok you got me, I have not heard all of their records, there's just so many of them! Thanks for pointing out specific albums.
I'm not even sure what atonal free jazz freakouts means exactly, but I think it's somewhat in the right direction. But melodic and violent sounds pretty neat too, with good variation it could become great I think.

Misha wrote:
If you want explosive jazz, go for "Peter Brötzmann Octet - Machine Gun".

It's a 64 record of improvised mania that is so fucking loud is not even funny (you will not like it). It has three saxophonists, two bassists, two drummers and a pianist and all are going fucking berzerk on their instruments. This puts all your grind albums to shame in terms of loudness. Musicians are extremely skilled as well by the way (Brötzmann, Breuker, Mengelberg, Bennink play on this record, from the top of my head).

You sure know how to make things sound interesting :)
I'll try to find Machine Gun and At The Mountains Of Madness to get back with some feedback.
Author:  noodles [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:52 pm ]
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Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but I'd be interested in hearing it. I still want to find something that's like an instrumental mars volta ^_^
Author:  rio [ Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:28 pm ]
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noodles wrote:
Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but I'd be interested in hearing it. I still want to find something that's like an instrumental mars volta ^_^


Oh hey yeah she is very cool! Good work noodles :D
Author:  Zeth [ Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:15 pm ]
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Listening to Electric Masada for the first time now. :dio:
Author:  noodles [ Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:21 am ]
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rio wrote:
noodles wrote:
Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but I'd be interested in hearing it. I still want to find something that's like an instrumental mars volta ^_^


Oh hey yeah she is very cool! Good work noodles :D

It was funny last night my friends and I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out if her song "XYZ" was a cover of the rush song, we decided it was.
Author:  Misha [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:50 pm ]
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Zeth wrote:
Listening to Electric Masada for the first time now. :dio:

And....? :wub:
Author:  Anonymous [ Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:03 pm ]
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Quote:
If you want explosive jazz, go for "Peter Brötzmann Octet - Machine Gun".

It's a 64 record of improvised mania that is so fucking loud is not even funny (you will not like it). It has three saxophonists, two bassists, two drummers and a pianist and all are going fucking berzerk on their instruments. This puts all your grind albums to shame in terms of loudness. Musicians are extremely skilled as well by the way (Brötzmann, Breuker, Mengelberg, Bennink play on this record, from the top of my head).


I loved this! :)

-Tyrion
Author:  Zeth [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 2:05 pm ]
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Misha wrote:
Zeth wrote:
Listening to Electric Masada for the first time now. :dio:

And....? :wub:

And... I like it alot :D However, I would not mind even more insanity!
Have not got a hold of Machine Gun yet though.
Author:  Azrael [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:38 pm ]
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noodles wrote:
Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic


i'm listening to "time difference" now and it's awesome!

is this all improvised?!
Author:  noodles [ Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:00 pm ]
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Azrael wrote:
noodles wrote:
Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic


i'm listening to "time difference" now and it's awesome!

is this all improvised?!

It sounds fairly structured to me, but there is probably some improv going on.
Author:  rio [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:43 am ]
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noodles wrote:
rio wrote:
noodles wrote:
Right now I've been listening to this girl when I want jazz :O. She's like a piano player, and sounds cool.
http://www.myspace.com/hiromimusic

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for but I'd be interested in hearing it. I still want to find something that's like an instrumental mars volta ^_^


Oh hey yeah she is very cool! Good work noodles :D

It was funny last night my friends and I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure out if her song "XYZ" was a cover of the rush song, we decided it was.


Ooh I have loved that song for ages but didn't know the Rush song existed :omfg:
Author:  Azrael [ Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:49 am ]
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that's YYZ.
Author:  Zeth [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:40 pm ]
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I'm beginning to think that I've gotten hold of the wrong record or something, but Machine Gun does not sound that loud to me. Yeah it's very nice improvisations and probably miles ahead of anything else when it was released, but putting grind albums to shame? Well :zzz:
Still, pretty darn good.
Author:  Misha [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:34 pm ]
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Zeth wrote:
I'm beginning to think that I've gotten hold of the wrong record or something, but Machine Gun does not sound that loud to me. Yeah it's very nice improvisations and probably miles ahead of anything else when it was released, but putting grind albums to shame? Well :zzz:
Still, pretty darn good.

Are you sure you've got the right thing?
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Author:  Zeth [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:31 pm ]
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Misha wrote:
Zeth wrote:
I'm beginning to think that I've gotten hold of the wrong record or something, but Machine Gun does not sound that loud to me. Yeah it's very nice improvisations and probably miles ahead of anything else when it was released, but putting grind albums to shame? Well :zzz:
Still, pretty darn good.

Are you sure you've got the right thing?
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Yeah it's the same. Not the wall of sound I would expect, but nice nevertheless.
Author:  Misha [ Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:21 pm ]
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Hehe, well, I warned you wouldn't like it ;)
No, it's not a wall of sound indeed, I could recommend some extremely loud classical drone minimalism / noise music from the same time, but you gotta agree with me that Machine Gun is extremely dissonant and chaotic :)
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