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Just read the Editorial, and it struck a chord. I'm Jewish, yet I like black/death and generally extreme metal, and yes, as he says I would not be welcome at such a gig as the one described. It's rather a shock to find that the Nazi-ideals of Varg Vikernes etc were so widespread, apart from him and Skrewdriver I just was not aware that such racism existed in the scene. Is it widespread? Are Amon Amarth etc secretly aryan wannabe-'superbeings'? :shock: It's a worrying thought that the music that I love so much is being made by people that, if I were to meet them in the street, would hate me simply for what I am. Or am I exhaggerating, and it isn't that widespread after all? More information would be very, very much appreciated.

I agree on what you point out alex, but I think there isn't a large difference between Amon Amarth's "No christian woman unraped
Their church consumed by flames", and the NSBM version. I think it has to be pointed out that NSBM is not Nazi BM and that National Socialism has less to do with Hitler and Antisemitism than you point out though. I don't really care for the idiology of bands like that, I can understand the lyrics from hearing them alone, and if I get offended in reading them then I just don't.

I really didn't like Nokturnal Mortum's music, and these lyrics didn't help at all. What I'm trying to say is:

KEEP THE POLITICS FUCK A WAY FROM BLACK METAL

But then again, isn't funny how these NSBM people focus on hating just some parts of humanity? Kinda hypocrit while considering their music, right?

Ok, first of all, it was year 988 when Rus was baptized. And the first man, or better to say the first woman, who accepted Christianity was Saint Vladimir's grandmother Olga in 955. But she couldn't affect her son, so Rus remained Pagan until Saint Vladimir came to reign. He hasn't accepted Christianity beacause he believed in God in the first place, but because he wanted to marry the daughter of Byzantium's ruler. And the ruler said that because Vladimir is a barbaric heathen, his daughter will never marry him. So Vladimir sent his ambassodors to many countries to decide which religion to choose. And he liked Christianity, from the words of his men, best. So Christianity DID affect Paganism's extirpation in Rus.



Right. NSBM isn't Nazi BM. And NSBM bands NEVER appreciated Hitler's deeds (maybe except Jew extermination). Just listen to the song The Taste of Victory:

Мы помним подвиги солдат, Что в снегах холодных спят, Пусть Боги судят, пусть простят, Всех тех, кто умер в годы те, Кто победил и проиграл в войне...

We remeber soldiers' deeds, who sleep in cold snow, Let the Gods judge, let them forgive all those, who died back then, who has won and who has lost the war...

Кто заставил Германцев пойти на Славян?

Who forced the Germans to take up arms against Slavs?

Мы помним твой подвиг, Белой Расы солдат, Неважно Германец ты иль Славянин. Призраки войны пред глазами стоят, Теперь мы ошибку не повторим!

We remember your deed, soldier of the White Race, Never mind if you're a German or a Slav. Ghosts of war stand before our eyes, we won't repeat the mistake now!

There are more, but I'm just to tired to search more proof...

P.S. Alex, you know Russian? :shock:

Maybe so, but song titles like Call of The Aryan Wind still blow.

that's enough for me to reject it... :evil:

The NS ideologies in Black Metal really do not disturb me.

I just think it's a very egoïstic ideology...

Being an atheist Jew from Kiev, Ukraine myself, I don't know what exactly are we arguing here. I can understand hating religion in general, but these bands seem to be blindly racist. Where does their hatred of jews come from? How do they justify it. And I think it is a no-brainer that you don't buy their cds unless you got to have all black metal available. I find it pretty funny that with all the shit going down in Chechnya and terrorism, these faggots still keep their hate of jews, what a bunch of dumb rednecks.


P.S. I was somewhat disappointed by the article, I thought it would be about quality of lyrics in general and how it affects the songs.

As an atheistic Jew, what are your views on Zionism?
V.

I guess I don't really care. If they are happy living in that hellhole Israel then fine, I wouldn't want to live there.

An atheist jew... that slightly contradicts anyways, I don't want to have all black metal available, I want the good BM available, and this is definitely among it. I do not care if I happen to give 25 cent per album to some kind of stupid orginisation, because:
1. they can't do shit with it
2. if I know I'm not agreeing with them, then that is enough for me
and about terrorist bullshit, Israel has been equalling Nazi Deutschland for quite a time, I'm glad they are cooling down lately.

It is a hellhole, isn't it?
I agree... why anyone would want to migrate there is beyond me; but, what I meant by my question, was, as a Jew, do you feel insulted or offended when someone condemns Israel?
I think that a distinction should be made between Jew and Zionist; while most Zionists are logically Jews, not all Jews are Zionists...
also, what about the Talmud's designation of gentiles as goyim, and the declaration that gentiles are closer to a dog than to god, while the Jew is the chosen one, and close tp god? Or that the Jew is to engage in commerce, while the gentile is to engage in labor? That type of ideology will not sit well with most people of non-Jewish blood...
plus weren't the Jews condemned by god to be a nationless people?
I may be incorrect about these things, correct me if I am...
V.

honestly, this is the first time I am hearing this. Sounds more like anti jewish propaganda.



um, that is horseshit to me cause I don't believe in god.



give me an example of condemning Israel.

everything you say is anti-semitic anti-zionist clichés... but reading you I certainly see where your sympathies go... we share the same planet but don't live in the same world... :evil:

Actually, some people think that Mossad is behind a lot of the "terrorism", at least in the middle-east...
MOTTO: by deception, thus is the art of war waged.
whenever there is a chance for peace, BANG! another suicide bomber, car bomb or whatever, thereby giving Israel the green light for more extra-judicial executions of "suspected" terrorists more land grabs and more general persecution the people they call vermin: the Palestinians.
V.

jew is an ethnicity, not a religion(judaism), at least that is how I view it.

You're probably right there, a lot of "Die-Hard" Jews look differently too, of course not as differently as Africans :-)

Everything is possible, I hate most governments in general, we are all pawns to them in their political games. I am sure Israel is no better than most. I try not to get myself too caught up in the politics because it just depresses me.