Dragonforce - Ultra Beatdown (#4580)

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:54 am

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

And I only said the pussy thing, because everybody is bashing Dragonforce without cause. 1. They are not more or less Power Metal than any other Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Hammer Fall etc. band. 2. They are just playing much faster and they have much longer songs. Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

YEAH BUT Motorhead, Slayer and quite a lot of AC/DC is fun and easy to listen to. WHEREAS Dragonforce... you follow?

And Slayer have changed their sound a bit. Come on, Show No Mercy v Diabolicus, compared to Valley Of The Damned v Ultra Beatdown? Dragonforce lose.

Edit: and how are Slayer, Motorhead or AC/DC pussies?

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:14 pm

And there's a difference between "trademark sound" and "variety".

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

Zad wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

And I only said the pussy thing, because everybody is bashing Dragonforce without cause. 1. They are not more or less Power Metal than any other Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Hammer Fall etc. band. 2. They are just playing much faster and they have much longer songs. Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

YEAH BUT Motorhead, Slayer and quite a lot of AC/DC is fun and easy to listen to. WHEREAS Dragonforce... you follow?

And Slayer have changed their sound a bit. Come on, Show No Mercy v Diabolicus, compared to Valley Of The Damned v Ultra Beatdown? Dragonforce lose.

Edit: and how are Slayer, Motorhead or AC/DC pussies?

I didn't say that they are pussies. They are far from that. But the albums and sound of Slayer or ACDC went worse. Compare Reign in Blood with God Hates us All. Or Back in Black with Stiff Upper Lip. DF could hold their quality level.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:55 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Zad wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

And I only said the pussy thing, because everybody is bashing Dragonforce without cause. 1. They are not more or less Power Metal than any other Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Hammer Fall etc. band. 2. They are just playing much faster and they have much longer songs. Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

YEAH BUT Motorhead, Slayer and quite a lot of AC/DC is fun and easy to listen to. WHEREAS Dragonforce... you follow?

And Slayer have changed their sound a bit. Come on, Show No Mercy v Diabolicus, compared to Valley Of The Damned v Ultra Beatdown? Dragonforce lose.

Edit: and how are Slayer, Motorhead or AC/DC pussies?

I didn't say that they are pussies. They are far from that. But the albums and sound of Slayer or ACDC went worse. Compare Reign in Blood with God Hates us All. Or Back in Black with Stiff Upper Lip. DF could hold their quality level.

Meh. You mean DF repeated themselves, unlike Slayer or AC/DC. I'd rather a band tries something different than does the same thing again, even Motorhead have experimented more than Dragonforce have.

And I don't mean to be a DF hater, but I think it's a bit silly holding them up as some example of Metallic excellence and then saying they've done better than Slayer.

Thrashtildeth · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:15 am

Personally I don't think they're on either end of the spectrum. The problem here is you guys are thinking in extremes.

They're not the greatest, they're not the shittest.

They just are. Their music is listenable, but not exemplary. That's all.

ganeshaRules · **Posted:** Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:37 am

Dragonforce is a group that needs to be listened in small dosis, only two-three songs on a row, and in this case I find them very enjoyable. But listening to a entire DF album from start to end is a boooooring experience.
But that's just my opinion.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

Yes it can be very stressful. But the same goes for Emperor or Darkthrone or sometimes Dream Theater. I needed weeks to get into Emperors Prometheus, where many said that it's too much of everything, but it was worth the try. And if you get into DF, it's great.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:49 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Zad wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

And I only said the pussy thing, because everybody is bashing Dragonforce without cause. 1. They are not more or less Power Metal than any other Helloween, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Hammer Fall etc. band. 2. They are just playing much faster and they have much longer songs. Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

YEAH BUT Motorhead, Slayer and quite a lot of AC/DC is fun and easy to listen to. WHEREAS Dragonforce... you follow?

And Slayer have changed their sound a bit. Come on, Show No Mercy v Diabolicus, compared to Valley Of The Damned v Ultra Beatdown? Dragonforce lose.

Edit: and how are Slayer, Motorhead or AC/DC pussies?

I didn't say that they are pussies. They are far from that. But the albums and sound of Slayer or ACDC went worse. Compare Reign in Blood with God Hates us All. Or Back in Black with Stiff Upper Lip. DF could hold their quality level.

That's only because DF's quality level cannot possibly dip any lower. Well, unless they make a cover album of St. Anger, but now I'm not being realistic.

heatseeker · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:05 am

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

This is a very good point. Although I personally do not like Motorhead, Slayer, or AC/DC, there are tons of people who do and then are really quick to bash DF for never changing their sound.

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Yes it can be very stressful. But the same goes for Emperor or Darkthrone or sometimes Dream Theater. I needed weeks to get into Emperors Prometheus, where many said that it's too much of everything, but it was worth the try. And if you get into DF, it's great.

This is a stupid point...getting into DF is nothing like getting into those bands. It's more about learning to not take it seriously than understanding their music.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:54 am

heatseeker wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Maybe for some, they think that there is not much variety, but you can say the same for nearly every Motörhead, Slayer or AC DC album, because there are just bands who have a trademark sound. It's the same with Running Wild. Either you love it or hate it.

This is a very good point. Although I personally do not like Motorhead, Slayer, or AC/DC, there are tons of people who do and then are really quick to bash DF for never changing their sound.

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Yes it can be very stressful. But the same goes for Emperor or Darkthrone or sometimes Dream Theater. I needed weeks to get into Emperors Prometheus, where many said that it's too much of everything, but it was worth the try. And if you get into DF, it's great.

This is a stupid point...getting into DF is nothing like getting into those bands. It's more about learning to not take it seriously than understanding their music.

Exactly, if there's one thing that is a fact and not an opinion here is that those other bands actually have depth to their music, unlike DF, which do not require any repaeated listens to absorb all of it.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

I would disagree, because IMO the songs are so fast and so overloaded, that it's hard to find the melodies and catchy parts, which are there, but well hidden.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:22 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

I would disagree, because IMO the songs are so fast and so overloaded, that it's hard to find the melodies and catchy parts, which are there, but well hidden.

Well hidden? No way dude, the choruses and solos don't take long to get absorbed, and compare the amount of time needed to take in say, Inhuman Rampage, to Opeth's Still Life. Even after 7 listens, I still haven't uncovered everything from that album, unlike with IR, which needed 2 listens.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

SoulSociety wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

I would disagree, because IMO the songs are so fast and so overloaded, that it's hard to find the melodies and catchy parts, which are there, but well hidden.

Well hidden? No way dude, the choruses and solos don't take long to get absorbed, and compare the amount of time needed to take in say, Inhuman Rampage, to Opeth's Still Life. Even after 7 listens, I still haven't uncovered everything from that album, unlike with IR, which needed 2 listens.

If you want to bash Opeth, you can say that it is impossible to uncover all good and catchy parts, because there are not any. :wink:

For me, most of the Opeth music is just sound and no songs.

DF have at least structured songs with verses and choruses - and big overloaded soli parts.

Karmakosmonaut · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:50 pm

Congratulations on another totally predictible post. Why are you still putting effort into it?

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:20 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

SoulSociety wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

I would disagree, because IMO the songs are so fast and so overloaded, that it's hard to find the melodies and catchy parts, which are there, but well hidden.

Well hidden? No way dude, the choruses and solos don't take long to get absorbed, and compare the amount of time needed to take in say, Inhuman Rampage, to Opeth's Still Life. Even after 7 listens, I still haven't uncovered everything from that album, unlike with IR, which needed 2 listens.

If you want to bash Opeth, you can say that it is impossible to uncover all good and catchy parts, because there are not any. :wink:

For me, most of the Opeth music is just sound and no songs.

DF have at least structured songs with verses and choruses - and big overloaded soli parts.

DF aren't fit to have Opeth shit on them. If you live in some alternate universe were DF are better than Opeth then your opinion is void.

Dago · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:20 pm

Seriously though, Opeth and DF in the same sentence is epic fail.

Thomas · **Posted:** Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:27 pm

Opeth and no structure in the same sentence is even more epic. Seriously, go learn your fucking music before you state your opinion. Opeth is damn catchy sometimes, the musicians takes a pretty heavy dump on DF when it comes to musical skill and songwriting.

Opeth is just sound? Have you lost your mind? You sound like my mom!

RedHawk · **Joined:** Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:19 am **Posts:** 367

I think the only person that's allowed to verbally bash Opeth is Mikael Akerfeldt himself.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

Opeth is everything (or anything?) but not catchy.

rio · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:24 pm

That's bollocks, there are loads of catchy bits in Opeth. Just because their songs have lots of different sections fused together doesn't mean that a lot of those sections aren't catchy. I can remember evey single second of the 20+ minutes of Black Rose Immortal, that's how catchy it is.

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