Cradle Of Filth - Darkly, Darkly, Venus Aversa (#6850)

Afro_D-Shak · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:14 am

How about we talk about Cradle of Filth, hm? :wink:

Kathaarian · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:29 am

huskerc7 wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

huskerc7 wrote:

Rhys wrote:

huskerc7 wrote:

It's just funny seeing kids who probably play guitar once a week and never have even worked on a musical project sit around and diss world famous metal bands that have been around almost 20 years and have made a living off of it.

eww dimmu borgir is so gay they have keyboards eww dimmu borgir actually makes money doing what they love that's so fucking lame.

Heaps of black metal bands know how to use keyboards properly, Dimmu is not one of them.

They're obviously done something right.

So you are saying we can't criticize them because they are in a popular band and have been in business for a long time? And we are not?

So by your logic music bands can only be reviewed and criticized by other musicians and Kesha and Katy Perry are "doing something right" ?

You are obviously trolling

Katy Perry and Kesha are doing something right. I loved Fireworks.

With that sentence you are the now least credible person when it comes to talking about metal.

Anyway, leaving the troll aside, I listened to this album yesterday and I would say the score is about right. Coulbe be a bit higher but not much. There are some good songs on it but lots of filler as well.
It should have been shorter. Still, there are some good material in it.

It is definitely better than Abrahadabra.

Rhys · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:54 pm

Trolling is a art.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:52 pm

Kathaarian wrote:

With that sentence you are the now least credible person when it comes to talking about metal.

Hello!

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:50 pm

I must say, I have a hard enough time taking metal bands seriously without a bunch of PETA-trolling loons trying to convince everyone that facepaint is simultaneously evil and cool for weirdo teenagers to like.

huskerc7 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:58 am **Posts:** 17363

Corpsepaint and what black metal bands sometimes wear adds to the stage show and is in my opinion good entertainment and I can tell the band put more time into their stage show than the band that shows up in tshirts and jeans, plays their material and has a beer in their hand during the set.

North From Here · **Posted:** Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:18 pm

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

With that sentence you are the now least credible person when it comes to talking about metal.

Hello!

Great stuff, guys!

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

xexyzl · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:42 am

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

Since when has Cradle EVER been Black Metal?

huskerc7 wrote:

Corpsepaint and what black metal bands sometimes wear adds to the stage show and is in my opinion good entertainment and I can tell the band put more time into their stage show than the band that shows up in tshirts and jeans, plays their material and has a beer in their hand during the set.

Or you know, the t shirt and jeans and beer thing also adds to the stage show. They're both outfits after all.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 1:46 am

xexyzl wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

Since when has Cradle EVER been Black Metal?

The first two albums?

Afro_D-Shak · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:54 am

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu.

The reviews of Abrahadabra and Darkly, Darkly, Venus Aversa were written by two different reviewers with completely different tastes. The guy who wrote the Abrahadbra review (Tyler) didn't like Darkly, Darkly all to well either.

Quote:

DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs.

Speed and heaviness does not equate into good songwriting. Even though Darkly, Darkly does have a lot of blastbeats, it is weighed down by repetition and lack of originality.

Quote:

I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

I beg to differ on that last part. Cradle's first two albums were black metal, and DDVA is not. It's gothic extreme metal, with maybe a touch of blackened influences, but nothing more than that. If you were comparing this to, say, Midian or Damnation and a Day, then your statement is a little easier to stomach, except for the fact that those two albums are much better than this mediocre album.

I'm not saying any of this to defend my review, or to deter your opinion of the album. You like it, and I'm meh about it, and I'm just fine with that. However, calling my review bullshit because I gave it a lower score than an album that wasn't even reviewed by me is, well, bullshit.

xexyzl · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:16 am

traptunderice wrote:

xexyzl wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

Since when has Cradle EVER been Black Metal?

The first two albums?

Really now. See, I think of their first album as Death/Gothic Metal and their second as Symphonic Gothic Metal (with screechy vocals).

JokerMachine · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:05 am

In this thread, people giving the troll material and then bitching that he's still around.

Rock on guys :dio:

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:29 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

I'd say both albums are around a 70 at best, and I am a longtime fan of both bands. They're just sort of plodding along these days, Dimmu and Cradle. Dimmu at least tried to mix it up a bit on their latest album, albeit with pretty meh results.

As for CoF being black metal... I dunno. Those first two albums, and I love Principle and Vempire oh so much, I have a hard time calling it like all out black metal.

huskerc7 · **Joined:** Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:58 am **Posts:** 17363

Cradle of Filth is just a metal band.

DeathScream\m/ · **Posted:** Sun Dec 19, 2010 6:44 am

One of my main gripes with CoF is that Dani just doesn't know when to shut up during the songs! It is literally a 6:00m song that has about 10 verses in it. I would, at some point in a song, like to hear the instruments.

TheMetalWarrior316 · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:01 am **Posts:** 646

The Evil Dead wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

I'd say both albums are around a 70 at best, and I am a longtime fan of both bands. They're just sort of plodding along these days, Dimmu and Cradle. Dimmu at least tried to mix it up a bit on their latest album, albeit with pretty meh results.

As for CoF being black metal... I dunno. Those first two albums, and I love Principle and Vempire oh so much, I have a hard time calling it like all out black metal.

For me, COF were symphonic Black Metal like Emperor or Dimmu Borgir. And gothic was first shown on Midian. Before the album were dominated by

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

Everything black metal needs to be black metal. And Cruelty of the Beast was the very definition of the typical mid 90s BM sound.

Then came Midian and Iron Maiden was much inspiring the guitar work, which came to the "high point" of this era: Thornography. I mean, a song with Villa Vallo... this was not more Black Metal.

Then came Godspeed on the devils Thunder and gone were the Iron Maiden riffs and Ville Vallo Gothic. And Darkly Darkly brought everything back which was on the first three albums... you name it:

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

And so I think COF are as much BM as they were in the 90s.

And sure, the songwriting is not as mainstream like than from Midian to Thorno, BUT that's the point. Whereas with Father I have sinned and the persecution song, there are enough single potential songs.

Metastable To Chaos · **Posted:** Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:59 pm

Black Metal does not exist.

:ph34r:

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:16 pm

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

The Evil Dead wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

I'd say both albums are around a 70 at best, and I am a longtime fan of both bands. They're just sort of plodding along these days, Dimmu and Cradle. Dimmu at least tried to mix it up a bit on their latest album, albeit with pretty meh results.

As for CoF being black metal... I dunno. Those first two albums, and I love Principle and Vempire oh so much, I have a hard time calling it like all out black metal.

For me, COF were symphonic Black Metal like Emperor or Dimmu Borgir. And gothic was first shown on Midian. Before the album were dominated by

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

Everything black metal needs to be black metal. And Cruelty of the Beast was the very definition of the typical mid 90s BM sound.

Then came Midian and Iron Maiden was much inspiring the guitar work, which came to the "high point" of this era: Thornography. I mean, a song with Villa Vallo... this was not more Black Metal.

Then came Godspeed on the devils Thunder and gone were the Iron Maiden riffs and Ville Vallo Gothic. And Darkly Darkly brought everything back which was on the first three albums... you name it:

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

And so I think COF are as much BM as they were in the 90s.

And sure, the songwriting is not as mainstream like than from Midian to Thorno, BUT that's the point. Whereas with Father I have sinned and the persecution song, there are enough single potential songs.

This nonsense again?
:lol:

The_Voice · **Posted:** Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:35 pm

cry of the banshee wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

The Evil Dead wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Dimmu get 87 and Cradle only 64 ist just pure bullshit, because Darkly, Darkly is much better than Abrahadabra. I would say 90 to Cradle and 75 to Dimmu. DDVA is maybe the most heavy and fastest album Cradle ever made and is a blast from beginning to the end, besides two songs. I mean, Thornography was too much of Gothic, but Godspeed brought the Black Metal back and Darkly, Darkly is just not so much different than what Cradle did in their early years.

I'd say both albums are around a 70 at best, and I am a longtime fan of both bands. They're just sort of plodding along these days, Dimmu and Cradle. Dimmu at least tried to mix it up a bit on their latest album, albeit with pretty meh results.

As for CoF being black metal... I dunno. Those first two albums, and I love Principle and Vempire oh so much, I have a hard time calling it like all out black metal.

For me, COF were symphonic Black Metal like Emperor or Dimmu Borgir. And gothic was first shown on Midian. Before the album were dominated by

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

Everything black metal needs to be black metal. And Cruelty of the Beast was the very definition of the typical mid 90s BM sound.

Then came Midian and Iron Maiden was much inspiring the guitar work, which came to the "high point" of this era: Thornography. I mean, a song with Villa Vallo... this was not more Black Metal.

Then came Godspeed on the devils Thunder and gone were the Iron Maiden riffs and Ville Vallo Gothic. And Darkly Darkly brought everything back which was on the first three albums... you name it:

blast beats
black metal vocals
fast tremolo black metal riffs
evil melodies
satanic/evil lyrics

And so I think COF are as much BM as they were in the 90s.

And sure, the songwriting is not as mainstream like than from Midian to Thorno, BUT that's the point. Whereas with Father I have sinned and the persecution song, there are enough single potential songs.

This nonsense again?
:lol:

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