Metal Reviews

and I can say what I want about "newer" school being so much better because I was there for the first wave of Priest, Accept, Sabbath with Dio, there for the NWOBHM, there for Metallica first album and there when all the copy cats came out and think god caught the explosion from Sweeden and Norway and Finland.

SOD is a crap joke band, always where that were more hardcore then anything. Nucleur Assualt where their serious brother and so much better for it. Overkill, was always, you know Overkill...... Kreator and Sodom, great bands.

Holy Terror, Vio-lance, all of that crap, Metallica and Slayers first 3 albums destroy them all togather.

I'm sorry sir, but that is heresy.

Ya, Holy Terror basically just summed it up. To say that thrash was worn out by 88 is one of the dumbest comments I've ever heard. Many of thrash's greatest albums were made in the '88-'91 period, from Overkill's Under the Influence and Years of Decay to Kreator's Coma of Souls to Sodom's Agent Orange to Dark Angel's Time Does Not Heal to Heathen's Victims of Deception to Mekong Delta's Dances of Death (And Other Walking Shadows) to Vio-lence's Eternal Nightmare to Megadeth's Rust in Peace to Anthrax's Persistence of Time to Sadus's Illusions and it just goes on and on. Seriously, if all you like in thrash is Metallica and Slayer's first three albums (wow! What a coincidence! The two most famous thrash bands!), you clearly have no business judging the thrash movement and are basically completely wrong.

Ah Brahm, I couldnt have said it better myself. Excellent inclusion of Sadus. Not enough people know of their awesomeness.

I didn't say that it was my favorite thrash band. If you'd actually understood my post... which you obviously didn't... then you'd know that I'd mention them as a sometimes-held sacred cow of thrash, but more of a varying choice. Joke band or not, Speak English or Die and Bigger than the Devil are great albums.

My personal fourth choice is Overkill, because they've been around for nearly thirty years and have only released two bad/mediocre albums, RelixXIV and I Hear Black. In Flames, on the other hand... have released only one album that can be historically misconstrued as 'great.' The rest of their catalogue ranges from 'mediocre rehash of The Jester Race' to 'Underdeveloped' to 'Nu-metal shit.'

In any event, you are an idiot for the last statement. Not only is Metallica not really that good, but Holy Terror and Vio-Lence are both much better than Slayer. Slayer, to be honest, is fucking overrated beyond all comprehension. They write stale songs filled with lame solos that all sound the same, rehashing the same thrash riffs, never becoming too extreme, just treading a borderline.

Totally agreed,just to say that in flames may have one good record but not even that can be compared to Vio-lence and the others.

I must say, the sheer volume and intensity of thrash-hobknobbery from this forum's more prominent and vocal members can be overwhelming for anyone who isn't completely obsessed with the genre. If someone were to come into a vio-lence thread and bash the band you guys would jump on his ass and never let go but then you are determined to give the melodeath fans shit just for enjoying a fucking In Flames album.

And Metallica gets way too much shit just for not being a generic 80's thrash band. They didn't push the genre to its limits for brutality or speed by any means, but they had far more character than most and were years ahead of a lot of underdeveloped (I seem to have heard that word in this thread already...) thrash bands in terms of writing concise, memorable (OHNOES!!!!!!!) songs that retained enough riffing to satisfy anyone who isn't busy crying about how they get played on the radio.

I mean, for Christ's sake, we get it. You guys are WAY too fucking hardcore for us new kids. Thrash is the be-all end-all of music and anything that takes a moment for a melody or writes something memorable is watered-down commercial rock radio shit. I promise I'll copy that down and read it every day if you'd just fuck off for once and keep your elitism to the circle of people jerking off in the last thrash review thread with you.

I would never have participated in this thread at all if it weren't for other people bashing Holy Terror and Vio-Lence. Though it's impossible to change their opinion, I thought at least it would make sense to say something.

Kind of escalated from there. Holy_Terror just likes having his opinion heard, Radical, you know that already.

Yeah I didnt jump out of nowhere and start ripping on lee for liking In Flames....he just made one really stupid comment, one very very foolish, ill informed comment. You nu kids should take a little time to research the music before you make some bogus statement like that again, no old school metal head will let you get away with it.

Yeah, you might bug the shit out of us over the internet over it. Give me a break with this shit. At least Dead Machine is at the very least reasonably intelligent with his discourse, and when it comes to it usually ends up putting whoever opposes him into the brainlock of doom. But you...you're like some kind of internet thrash bully. You can stand on your e-soapbox and bitch about thrash and yell at kids on your lawn all day for all anyone else cares, but you're preaching to two kinds of people: 1. The converted 2. Those who don't give a shit. Thrash is inconsequential for a lot of modern metalheads, I myself enjoy it, but it's just a fact that there are those who see it as antiquated and irrelevant. They feel roughly the same about thrash as you do about In Flames, and neither of you are any more right or wrong than the other, regardless of how much more "informed" you might like to think you are.

You can go on about how these kids don't know shit and how they are missing out and every tired thing that generations before you did when the kids started playing some new-fangled rock n roll, or you can accept it and go enjoy your thrash reviews and thread discussions.

Stop your whining.

I have to agree with Radical Cut here, I have an infinite amount of respect for you older metalheads who have been around forever and I would never diss thrash because there are much crappier areas of metal (such as metalcore) that need more imediate dissing-attention. I don't dislike thrash but as Radical said, being fairly new to metal, it has become fairly irrelevant. I'm still going to see Kreator live later this year, but if I had to pay $100 for a ticket (not that uncommon here in Aus) I wouldn't bother, unlike In Flames, which I would pay $100 or more to see live. Even though I know they are going to play utter crap from their latest album. What ever happened to metal being about unity! Metalheads were supposed to stand together against our common foe of pop music. Isn't that what we hate about metalcore - their lack of unity? Or is metalcore influencing us more than we realise...

Metal is also about showing respect for the bands that paved the way for this so called "modern" and inferior metal. SO when someone says that Heathen, and Holy Terror and bands like them have ruined metal, then I know for a fact that whatever nu-metal monkey said it, is completely full of shit and knows nothing about the metal that their favorite bands are copying. That is pure and utter bull shit To say that any modern metal is better than 80's metal is also pure crap. SO I say there is no way for metal heads to be united, there are old school metal heads, and nu-skool metal heads, who suck.

PS- In Flames is pure shit, their old stuff is less shitty, but still shit. They copied everything they know from At the Gates. ANd now they're screamo-nu-hardcore fag metal. Sorry if I'm not being sensitive enough for you screamo fags, but this is pure pussy footing bull shit. SO fuck you and your nu=metal.

Correction, I DID have infinite amounts of respect for you guys til I read this post, and you just proved to me that you are the close minded asses that all the non-metal listeners pay me out for being, it's guys like you who give us a bad name.

Also, it sounds to me like you don't even know what nu-metal is.

I know that In Flames is the equivalent of nu metal. ANd I don't need your respect Clayman, you've named yourself after a shitty album and its indicative of your musical tastes. You're the type of metal head that is making all of the old school metal heads cringe.

The feeling is more than mutual man, you're a freaking joke

Good, its mutual. Glad we have this all cleared up. Time to grow up guys. Fight's over.

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